tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post3926107973534883251..comments2024-03-28T08:06:43.198-04:00Comments on The Silicon Graybeard: I Have to AgreeSiGraybeardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-57884587226711567802019-02-02T17:26:51.520-05:002019-02-02T17:26:51.520-05:00If you accept proof by majority vote then you'...If you accept proof by majority vote then you've approved of Nazis and Commies; if you accept proof by religious revelation then you've approved of Sharia and the Spanish Inquisition; if you accept proof by historical weight then you cannot reject proof by majority vote and religious revelation. If you accept proof by genetic instinct then you're toast; the technological singularity is almost upon us.<br /><br />Fallacies are intellectual mistakes. The function of intellectual, rational thought is to incorporate disgusting truths. Rational thought mediates between conclusions made by non-rational brain functions.<br /><br />Early humans on the African plain didn't evolve with seven billion tribe members who could all talk to each other on cell phones. I'm not surprised the software is showing strain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-48207305243799957962019-02-02T16:18:01.319-05:002019-02-02T16:18:01.319-05:00Replies inline not working, so posted here at the ...Replies inline not working, so posted here at the bottom.<br /><br />"Safe, legal, and rare" is the New York city gun carry permit issuing policy. All we want is safe and effective regulation of guns. What could go wrong?<br /><br />Windows ships from Microsoft with many bugs. The unstated portion of the argument is the moral case why consumers are required to use Windows. Human brains contain a genetically-transmitted instinct to protect children and organize politics like we have seen in history. So what? The presence of that code in the dna is not a moral or engineering argument for that code being the best possible way for seven billion humans to relate to each other. The Frankenstein argument is: "that domain belongs to God" AND "God is good". How do you know that? Show me which high energy physics or SETI experiment has extracted stone tablets from this universe's creator. Then show me how you know that creator isn't running a medical experiment.<br /><br />The science in Leviathan must be replicable. I don't see archaeological demonstration of many cases where human groups deprived of a government, such as wagon trains heading West or pirate ships on the high seas, break down into a mutual orgy of murder. If your source of proof/truth is that people in the past believed it, then you've proven the Earth is flat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-36667510577167474242019-02-01T10:01:43.732-05:002019-02-01T10:01:43.732-05:00see also Kermit Gosnell for not just where this le...see also Kermit Gosnell for not just where this leads, but where it's actually been. If your stomach is strong enough.<br /><br />nickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-73268175995983684012019-01-31T12:32:57.226-05:002019-01-31T12:32:57.226-05:00Murder is a perfectly legitimate tool as far as th...Murder is a perfectly legitimate tool as far as the left is concerned. Anyone and nothing that is an inconvenience to them is an acceptable <br />target for their violence. Gun owners, white people, climate change skeptics, babies....ALL are worthy of elimination in the lefts quest to <br />impose their socialist workers paradise.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-38214451763930134912019-01-31T10:27:35.460-05:002019-01-31T10:27:35.460-05:00In case you are interested, here is the actual tex...In case you are interested, here is the actual text of the bill. Everybody should read it - it's only 240 lines long. <br />https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s240<br />The actual legal change is to add "health" of the mother to "life of the mother" as a justification for abortion in the 3rd trimester. Note that, like in other states, "health" is undefined; I believe this is purposeful so that it can include whatever is needed as a justification.<br />FYI, in NY home birth is a felony and midwives are technically illegal, though like many laws in liberal states there is uneven enforcement.<br />My understanding is that expanding who can do an abortion was intended to allow physician's assistants and nurses to do them. Note that under the FDA approval, RU-486 and similar drugs are required to be given under a doctor's care - it is widely ignored. Technically, NY widening who can do an abortion doesn't override federal law but in effect it will.Jonathan Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10476185257203343474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-16066648094778073282019-01-31T08:48:46.008-05:002019-01-31T08:48:46.008-05:00It used to be a joke that the answer to "when...It used to be a joke that the answer to "when does human life begin?" is "when they get their Medical Doctor degree". <br /><br />It's getting closer to the reality. <br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-1249911964868519392019-01-31T08:46:36.265-05:002019-01-31T08:46:36.265-05:00In what way are these abortion laws not laws? Not...In what way are these abortion laws <i>not</i> laws? Not "forcible control of others"? Try violating them. <br /><br />Murder is one of those crimes that's pretty much recognized by any civilization ever seen. The only exceptions to that are built around making it acceptable to kill certain undesirables or "others", such as the way Islam allows murder of non-Muslims. <br /><br />One of the tricks in allowing abortion is to define the baby as "non-human" so that abortion isn't murder. Hence the debates over when life begins and the "it's just a clump of cells" argument. <br /><br />A helpful concept is "alternation of generations", which anybody who took college biology (maybe even high school biology) knows about. Bottom line: sperm and eggs may be considered to not be human life because they're not a complete genome, so biology says that as soon as fertilization takes place, that's a person - a human life. To define it arbitrarily at 13 weeks or 20 or whatever your favorite number is to say the start of life depends on our technology and on the luck of circumstances. <br /><br />I've known a woman who was born so small that her incubator was a shoe box kept in a dresser drawer, but that was the best technology they had. She turned into a fine, fully functional adult. <br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-5092057528497385682019-01-31T08:36:57.235-05:002019-01-31T08:36:57.235-05:00The Virginia proposal was for abortion through the...The Virginia proposal was for abortion through the 40th week.<br />Yes, you did the math correctly. So did the vile Democrat who proposed this disgusting law.McChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243337792601085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-58986909293920635832019-01-31T04:30:34.898-05:002019-01-31T04:30:34.898-05:00And BTW, a baby in the third trimester is viable o...And BTW, a baby in the third trimester is viable outside the womb.<br />That's what NICUs are <i>for</i>.<br />So you don't abort it, you deliver it.<br />Try using your not-knowing-<b>anything</b>-about-medicine Google-fu and look up ceserean", and perhaps even the etymology of that word.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-10852598788399596132019-01-31T04:23:31.856-05:002019-01-31T04:23:31.856-05:00The NY and VA laws are legislated infanticide, and...The NY and VA laws are legislated infanticide, and nothing less.<br />They strip all human rights from born babies.<br /><br />Bad and unconstitutional (but if you can find the word "trimester" anywhere in the constitution or BoR, I'll recant, and give you $1) as <i>Roe v. Wade</i> is, 'tis but a fond memory of saner times now.<br /><br />Next stop: Forget what's happened to date, because it's church picnics compared to what's coming; Planned Parenthood clinics, and their staff members <i>in toto</i>, will shortly be treated as terrorist base camps, in 3,2,...<br /><br />And I'm here to tell you, you don't have enough cops or courts anywhere for that war.<br /><br /><i>Dred Scot</i> decided negroes weren't actual human beings.<br /><i>Roe</i> expanded that to fetuses <i>to a certain age</i>.<br />Cuomo has now defined that certain age to be after the beginning of life after birth.<br /><br />This is madness, and the history of similar forays into such insanity has already been written in blood by previous generations.<br /><br />We are now legalizing killing actual born babies.<br /><br />Next stop: the bat-crap insane.<br />Then the handicapped and the depressed.<br />Then the infirm and elderly.<br /><br />This is NY and VA going out to the slippery slope to genocide, and power-washing the slope with 500 tons of lard.<br /><br />And you've turned hospital Labor & Delivery wards and abortion clinics into the battlefields in the inevitable <i>actual</i> war this will incite.<br /><br />This should be great theater: the Morlochs vs. Eloi.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-14885711730299256802019-01-31T04:08:37.290-05:002019-01-31T04:08:37.290-05:00Excellent attempt at a reductio ad absurdum, but a...Excellent attempt at a <i>reductio ad absurdum</i>, but a glorious smoking-hole-in-the-ground failure, nonetheless.<br /><br />Childhood is childhood. It imputes rights to the baby, and lays responsibilities onto the parent(s) and the state, which do not constitute chattel slavery, nor have since the dawn of recorded history (at least, amongst civilizations that do not practice child sacrifice, which subset no longer includes NY and VA society).<br /><br />And Hobbes' <i>Leviathan</i> is supported by the hundreds of thousands of years before history was recorded, which is <i>why</i> it's unrecorded.<br /><br />Ignorance of that historical reality is no excuse, and you don't get to claim agnosticism of the facts as a rationale for pretending they don't exist, Baby Duck.<br /><br />No points for posing the obvious reality so fucktardedly.<br /><br />Supporting abortion on children up to the 100th trimester used to be a joke punchline, not societal SOP.<br /><br />Clearly, that was B.C.: Before Cuomo.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-62608696865276492252019-01-31T00:16:07.042-05:002019-01-31T00:16:07.042-05:00tfat seems to be implying, if we count all the per...tfat seems to be implying, if we count all the persons who are libertarians except for that one issue they find emotionally indigestible and "requires" forcible control of others, we get 300 million. That is, actually, how we got here. Government is the union of all the controlling impulses. A bans abortions, B bans drugs, C bans profit. Each is accurately reporting an emotion which cannot tolerate some thing.<br /><br />Libertarian is correctly defined as choosing to support no forcible control, even for that one issue which makes me vomit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-81438201030503924252019-01-30T23:51:23.234-05:002019-01-30T23:51:23.234-05:00there is no such thing as an abortion required in ...<i>there is no such thing as an abortion required in the final trimester to save the life of the mother</i><br /><br />I don't know anything about medicine. But it sounds like you've legislatively decided pi equals 3 and therefore common problems like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclampsia don't exist. Making a baby is a complicated process, and stuff goes lethally wrong at each and every itty-bitty tiny little step. Mother's Launch Escape System is less than comprehensive. Have you visited a NICU?<br /><br />Game theory considerations tell me the child must be the chattel slavery property of the mother, from conception until the offspring has set up a separate, economically-independent household. Otherwise the mother is the property, the slave, of whatever thing you have constructed to forcibly override her judgment.<br /><br />The embryo/fetus/baby/child is a pawn, because it isn't sufficiently mature to have the military capability to successfully defend against the mother. Until it does by running away and successfully begging for help in its own voice from strangers. Children gain property rights in themselves by homesteading, by open and notorious possession of themselves.<br /><br />Do I like this? No. I suspect my emotional reaction is similar to yours. We can hold each other and together we can scream and cry. But my rational reaction is that constructing a government has an objectively worse overall track record. Governments murdered 260 million in the 20th century. This was a better outcome than ... what, exactly? Hobbes' _Leviathan_ is supported by exactly zero experimental evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-36943749598478951652019-01-30T23:06:31.473-05:002019-01-30T23:06:31.473-05:00Now picture what would happen if a dog had a litte...Now picture what would happen if a dog had a litter of pups, and the owner gathered them all up and killed them. <br /><br />Owner is probably going to jail and have their life ruined. <br /><br />But if Mom has a healthy and whole child but decides it's just a bundle of not as joyous as she wanted and says to abort it, nobody says a word. Nothing happens. <br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-54014612693322716462019-01-30T22:42:23.712-05:002019-01-30T22:42:23.712-05:00What is absolutely obscene isthe fact that New Yor...What is absolutely obscene isthe fact that New York had a law - as some other states are actually making the law for their people - that required giving medical care to any baby born viable, even from a failed abortion. Cuomo signed a _repeal_ of the New York law, which means even if a baby is actually delivered - healthy and whole - during or after an abortion attempt, it can be killed. The new law states there is no requirement to give any medical care or to make any attempt to sustain an otherwise living, breathing, viable baby.<br /><br />I don't care _where_ a person stands on the subject of abortions - THAT is murder, plain and simple. Reg Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14099612693763932005noreply@blogger.com