tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post8057906900329341836..comments2024-03-28T08:06:43.198-04:00Comments on The Silicon Graybeard: The Alternative Hypotheses SiGraybeardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-55820484544356173392012-12-26T12:39:41.276-05:002012-12-26T12:39:41.276-05:00'and they tend to think differently'
I’ve ...'and they tend to think differently'<br />I’ve always believed that differences in behavior between members of the same sex are much greater than dissimilarities between the two sexes and that as humans we should focus on what we have in common (which is A LOT) rather than our more trivial differences. Mountains vs. molehills. <br />I also think that subconscious attitudes projected on children probably have some effect. Studies have shown that people treat and talk to babies completely differently depending on the color of their clothes.<br />But for whatever reason boys and girls so learn differently, and it’s the educator’s job to work with what they have. It's hard enough for a female teacher to understand how a young girl thinks (they’ve forgotten a great deal by that age) let alone a young boy. Also, on average, a boy’s metabolic rate is higher – this may to lead a great deal of the other differences between boys and girls. If you are constantly bursting with energy it will affect how you think and learn. <br />I agree that there is no conspiracy, just a whole bunch of people with similar ideas. Interestingly, my son’s problems started in second grade. In the first grade, the teacher (a woman) gave the children a chance to play hard in the playground for 30 minutes before starting the instruction. She told me if she did that, he was much easier to handle, as were most of the boys and even some of the girls – in the second grade which was not adjacent to the playground, the children were expected to read for thirty minutes. Now which scenario favors boys given their higher metabolic rates? The second grade teacher was stuck on reading, she wouldn’t consider anything else. <br />BTW: I personally believe the huge focus on making children read as much as possible these days is somewhat overrated. <br /><br /><br />Steve Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-29353607242169330502012-12-25T17:44:36.335-05:002012-12-25T17:44:36.335-05:00Steve - I wish I could say this was the only time ...Steve - I wish I could say this was the only time I've heard of teachers doing this sort of thing. You have the resources and knowledge to dispute them, but as you say, many (if not most) parents can't put up resistance to the teachers demanding drugs for the children. I grew up in the days when schools still paddled students, and remember being threatened with it for being disruptive. <br /><br />BTW, I studied biochemistry for my first iteration of college, before going back to school as an adult and becoming an electron wrangler and EM field wrestler. <br /><br />I don't care much for organized conspiracy theories, and it's easy to put the "war against boys" into that category. I've seen with my own eyes, though, how schools bending over backwards to get girls into STEM has marginalized boys. Boys are more likely to get construction and trade jobs than go to college, because they're enforcing school systems that favor the way girls interact. <br /><br />But males and females <i>are</i> different, despite what the feminists say, and they tend to think differently. Boys do tend to favor math and harder analytical sciences. Don't get me wrong, I work with lots of women as software engineers and I don't have any problem with that. On the other hand, I've known only a tiny handful of women who go into hardware engineering and only two in 40 years in my specialty. Of the women who have gone into hardware engineering, most want to use it as a springboard to management or sales.<br /><br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-63970443622735370262012-12-25T10:41:38.596-05:002012-12-25T10:41:38.596-05:00One reason for their overuse is that the sheer pre...One reason for their overuse is that the sheer pressure from educators put upon parents to ask for, and doctors to prescribe these medications is incredible.<br />I researched these drugs a while back when my son was having attention problems in school (grades 2 and 3). He would not pay attention in class. He would sit backwards in circle, stare out the window, wander around and engage in all manner of non-attentive behavior. In fact, his conduct was exactly like mine and my sister’s was at his age but his school teachers and school head insisted that he had ADD and that he needed to be evaluated and medicated. <br />So, my wife and I filled out the forms and took him to the doctor, who appeared shall we say very surprised since she said she could usually pick out children who would be a problem in school and she never had expected this of my son. She thought it very unlikely that he had any sort of medical problem but gave us the name of a clinical social worker, anyway. He tested my son and exactly as I had insisted to the teachers, his attention turned out to be ABOVE normal. They still insisted that he had ADD, so we took him to a psychologist who gave him additional tests with the same results. So here we have one doctor, one trained social worker, one psychologist and two parents all convinced that there was no medical issue AT ALL – only one of immaturity and boredom and the teachers STILL wanted to me medicate him. I told them they were not qualified to diagnose my son and anyway it was against the law for me to do this without a prescription from a doctor. That barely fazed them. I finally had to get the psychologist on the phone to talk to them and then later they decided to question his qualifications.<br />By the way, my son goes to a very expensive private school. I pay a whole lot of tuition and give the school a very big donation every year. I’m a biochemist; I understand drugs better than the educators and the average person. I knew some of the literature. We had everything in our favor but the pressure they put upon us was still tremendous – you would not believe it. I can’t imagine what a non-scientist parent sending their children to a government school would feel in similar circumstances. <br />(Educators know how to manipulate people; they learn that in teacher’s college.)<br />The psychologist told me his attention problems would disappear in the 4th grade as soon as my son started to receive a numerical grade. His competitive nature would ensure that he would work hard so the other kids would not get a better number. About a third of the way through grade 4, we had a parent/teacher interview with one of his main teachers and I tentatively brought up the issue of my son’s attention problem. The teacher looked at me, raised his eyebrows and then told me he had not observed any attention span issue. (I guess he didn’t get the memo from the other teachers). He did need to work on his organizational skills, though.<br />Also, having a male teacher in 4th and 5th grade helped him tremendously as it did me when I was in grade 5.<br />Steve Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-38318240760334087712012-12-23T10:11:04.971-05:002012-12-23T10:11:04.971-05:00Very well said, Dan.
Very well said, Dan. <br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-3340461400299347062012-12-22T23:50:56.504-05:002012-12-22T23:50:56.504-05:00It's unlikely that a person who is relatively ...It's unlikely that a person who is relatively normal <br />and well adjusted (a term that is subjective at best)<br />will go off on a mass murder spree as a result of extended<br />time playing violent video games. 99+ % of the population<br />have developed as a part of growing up the necessary coping<br />skills required to prevent them from acting out blood rage<br />fantasy's. Because the vast majority of video game players <br />possess adequate self regulation mechanisms any study of <br />the link between violent games and mass violence is going to<br />be skewed by those numbers. <br /><br />The tiny subset of people who are truly defective mentally <br />are more than likely susceptible to some degree or another <br />to the impetus towards violence that these games may produce.<br />Mass murder perpetrators tend to be fundamentally lacking in<br />many areas of social development.....why they are lacking may<br />vary but they invariably do lack in their ability to interact<br />with the world and other people. <br /><br />The combination of mental illness with the priming effect of<br />gratuitously violent video games is very probably a major factor<br />in why these tragic events occur. <br /><br />Due to the microscopic number of actual mass murderers that exist<br />connecting the two phenomenon statistically is difficult but logically the connection is almost a certainty.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-22985484437459208582012-12-22T19:31:00.830-05:002012-12-22T19:31:00.830-05:00My disclaimer wasn't enough for you? :-D
Ther...My disclaimer wasn't enough for you? :-D<br /><br />There are certainly people who need these drugs, but if it's true they're prescribed 20 times less often in most of the EU, either they're under-using or we're over-using (or both). You can't really tell me you haven't heard stories of teachers getting active children (the technical term is "boys") put onto a drug to keep them more manageable in crowded classes? You haven't heard of "the war against boys"? <br /><br />Like all epidemics, it's useful to ask how it started. Why did it suddenly become necessary to put so many children on ADD drugs - drugs that didn't exist when you and I were growing up? When I was a kid, you could order serious WWII surplus and have it mailed to your door. There were no school shootings. A bad kid carried a switchblade. <br /> <br />What's do they say in "root cause analysis" classes? Ask "why?" five times and you'll get there. <br /><br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-17492035699774273322012-12-22T18:58:01.210-05:002012-12-22T18:58:01.210-05:00I'd like to (gently) point out that "suck...I'd like to (gently) point out that "suck it up" has limited utility when brain chemistry is out of whack. Are some drugs over prescribed? Sure. Are others under prescribed? You bet. That just says that our medical community is (like everything) imperfect.<br /><br />But drug really can bring that brain chemistry back into balance. Not always, but sometimes. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-2757971742835667962012-12-22T16:41:37.320-05:002012-12-22T16:41:37.320-05:00Excellent points by both of you, HalfElf and RegT....Excellent points by both of you, HalfElf and RegT. <br /><br />The practical answer for "what do we do?" is well known. The evidence is overwhelming that mass shooters, and include the Aurora movie theater loser, don't go where they expect resistance. The only "mass shooting" in US history that wasn't in a gun free zone was the Gabby Giffords shooting, and it's arguable that was an assassination attempt, not an attempt to kill a lot of innocents - although he certainly did. <br /><br />Thinking ahead one move, though, the Palestinians have responded to being unable to commit mass shootings by suicide bombings and missile attacks. I wonder if it's reasonable to think of these mass shootings as suicide attacks, especially when the loser shoots himself as soon as the cops get close. <br /><br />Will it get worse?<br /><br /><br /><br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-84838939526243328942012-12-22T16:22:45.655-05:002012-12-22T16:22:45.655-05:00I think that, to a certain extent, we get into a &...I think that, to a certain extent, we get into a "nice to know" vs "need to know" situation. Could knowing the cause help prevent these rare occurrences? Perhaps, but as you say, it is almost impossible to actually determine causation. Besides, knowing the cause will not necessarily enable you to keep all such mental cases - or everyone will evil intent - from getting into a school, mall, office building, or what have you.<br /><br />What we _need_ to know is how to prevent such massacres, and it has been amply demonstrated - in the real world - that the only way is through an immediate armed response. You probably will not be able to preclude the death of one or more victims (unless you get really lucky), but you can certainly prevent a massacre.<br /><br />The Israelis have proven this, and real world examples of teachers and staff and others with their personal firearms have proven it can be done here as well.<br /><br />We really need to hammer home the fact that guns in the hands of good people, trained people, are the only answer to this kind of violence.RegTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-27177450489266653352012-12-22T16:18:33.761-05:002012-12-22T16:18:33.761-05:00I also have heard that all of the shooters shared ...I also have heard that all of the shooters shared 5 factors in common<br />1. Male<br />2. Disaffected from peer group, either by the group, or themselves<br />3. Single or absentee parent units<br />4. Violent video games<br />5. Psychotropic drugs, either for the schools, or the parents convienceHalfElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835121762417884144noreply@blogger.com