tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post3980988583301420021..comments2024-03-29T09:08:47.702-04:00Comments on The Silicon Graybeard: I Know This Isn't Really Important...SiGraybeardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-85024146330961623622013-01-19T11:16:36.289-05:002013-01-19T11:16:36.289-05:00Both of those comments are very well said. Regard...Both of those comments are very well said. Regardless of the amount of drugs you take, you don't just suddenly become a superstar and it still takes insane amounts of dedication and work, as well as pushing through inhuman amounts of pain. It was amazing to watch Lance do it. <br /><br />I read an article in about '99 or 2000, by a guy who was a very good racer, but not pro, taking one of those "ride the tour" trips. He rode L'Alpe D'Huez the day before the race got there. He said he was able to make the climb, but said that butterflies could fly between his spokes and not get hurt. The next day, the peloton was accelerating uphill so hard that their tires were chirping and leaving rubber marks. After, as you say, about 100 miles on "flats". <br /><br />If the sport is nothing but medically-enhanced, genetic freaks, Lance was the best medically-enhanced genetic freak there is. It <b>was</b> amazing to watch. <br /><br />I suppose why this is an emotional thing is that I feel like I've been played. Which makes me mad at myself, not Lance, for falling for it.<br /><br />Years ago (late '70s) when organized sports was starting to face their drug problems I read a survey. They asked aspiring Olympians if there was a drug they could take that would win them their gold medal but kill them in 10 years, if they'd take it. IIRC, about 80% said they'd take it<br /><br />I think the NFL playoff thing with Robert Griffin III is a shining example. The buzz in sports is concussions and long term brain damage, not arthritic knees and joints so bad that old football players can barely get out of bed. RGIII went out there with a knee he knew had trouble. If he blew it out, lots of pain and suffering for a long time. If he could play on it, winning and the attendant glory. He thought he was superman and could play on that knee. <br /><br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-66975118657745652862013-01-19T08:06:31.575-05:002013-01-19T08:06:31.575-05:00There's a lot of truth to this. I don't ev...There's a lot of truth to this. I don't even think you can call PED use cheating with respect to cycling. To me, cheating requires that you gain some unfair advantage over the field by breaking the rules. When the rulebreaking is so widespread that you gain not advantage but parity, it becomes something else - still problematic, but not cheating.<br /><br />And I don't care what sort of drugs you're taking, you can't win a race like the Tour that many times without a high level or athletic talent and training. It's not like you just inject yourself and win; you still have to do all the work to benefit from the drugs.<br /><br />At the end of the day I think we're mostly mad at him for carrying on the charade for so long. Cycling and the IOC both have huge moral beams in their eyes, so I'm a little deaf to their outrage over the PED use. The line between a PED and a medical treatment is very blurry, anyway - the same drug that might be banned in one situation is fine with a doctor's note. They can't say they're worried about the athletes hurting themselves, either - not when coaches encourage playing through injury (and play that causes injury) and not without strict controls on overtraining, which is likely far more problematic.Xenoclesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-31526356534904067392013-01-19T00:09:36.418-05:002013-01-19T00:09:36.418-05:00I think most of us that followed cycling are not a...I think most of us that followed cycling are not at all surprised by the revelation. All of my friends were pretty sure he was doping - as well as everyone else in the sport. So, at least in my mind, none of this takes away from the memories of watching him push through pain and push his body well past the limits of the riders around him - most of whom were doping as much or more than he was. Even with the EPO, HGH, blood doping, and everything else that was flowing through their veins, these cyclists perform amazing feats. I've done a lot of road riding, but you will never see me accelerating to 30 mph uphill at the end of a 130 mile ride :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-11497487441154825792013-01-18T23:36:54.936-05:002013-01-18T23:36:54.936-05:00Cycling has been especially bad. I know the NFL a...Cycling has been especially bad. I know the NFL and MLB didn't even prohibit drugs until fairly recently. Around '97 or '98, the Festina Cycling team car was pulled over and had a trunk full of drugs. <br /><br />Thing is, cyclists don't usually use steroids or testosterone, or if they do, it's not much. They don't want to build muscle mass because it carries a weight penalty and the strength to weight ratio on a mountain climb is absolutely critical; they want to maximize their endurance at the lowest weight possible. They use things to increase their blood oxygen capacity - EPO. The most common way used to be blood doping, removing blood, spinning down the red cells, pouring off some of the plasma, and re-injecting the red cells . Some of that can be obtained by living at high altitude and training there, as part of the adaptation. <br /><br />How do you detect a person's own blood as a doping agent? It's genetically indistinguishable, there's no chemicals, it's just odd blood counts. <br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-39714295657704743932013-01-18T22:58:05.344-05:002013-01-18T22:58:05.344-05:00Pretty much all of professional sports is like tha...Pretty much all of professional sports is like that. When there is that much money at stake, people will do anything. Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.com