tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post4378470166223298062..comments2024-03-28T08:06:43.198-04:00Comments on The Silicon Graybeard: How the Internet of Things Is a Throwback to the Middle AgesSiGraybeardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-50228952851581645352020-02-28T00:43:31.614-05:002020-02-28T00:43:31.614-05:00I have advocated for no such things.
Your assumpti...I have advocated for no such things.<br />Your assumptions are invalid.<br />Fail.<br /><br />"<i>This argument of 'humans have always organized societies using governments, therefore it must be correct' justifies wars of aggression, chattel slavery, genociding minorities, everything bad which governments do.</i>"<br />Straw Man fallacy.<br />Fail.<br />And you also failed to note the technological marvels you alleged anarchy <i>produced</i>, past tense.<br />You had all of recorded human history for reference materials, and wasted all your time arguing against something not put forth, instead of offering evidence in support of your own contention.<br />Put up or shut up.<br />Gainsaying equals bio-methane. Worth: zero.<br /><br />"<i>A violent interaction between an aggressing and an innocent human...</i>"<br />Assumes facts not in evidence, to wit, the contention that any humans are innocent.<br />Fail.<br />The idea that there is an aggressor and an innocent is also an <i>a priori</i> logical fallacy.<br />Congratulations: Circular Reasoning fallacy.<br /><br />Strike five, and you're far beyond out.<br />I know Ike, let's try a spelling bee.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-28425048451634700172020-02-25T07:30:00.985-05:002020-02-25T07:30:00.985-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.sink dish washinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11045260226594707710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-50835459692937424522020-02-25T01:58:59.196-05:002020-02-25T01:58:59.196-05:00no one advocated for a central planner
You are ad...<i>no one advocated for a central planner</i><br /><br />You are advocating for a central planner of laws, and courts and police to enforce them. These central planners dictate an enormous amount of malum prohibidum, such as who controls the software in a tractor claimed to be "sold", and justify this dictation by stopping a tiny bit of malum in se.<br /><br /><i>tell the class all the technological marvels wrought by anarchic societies</i><br /><br />This argument of 'humans have always organized societies using governments, therefore it must be correct' justifies wars of aggression, chattel slavery, genociding minorities, everything bad which governments do.<br /><br />A violent interaction between an aggressing and an innocent human has two sides. The innocent side does self-defense; the aggressing side does government. A band of organized criminals running a protection racket does not become virtuous when they grow to some numeric member count or local percentage, or label themselves the 'city council'. That's just you thinking with your great ape instincts, not your rationality.<br /><br />Try the veal, I'll be here all week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-66968617190859556392020-02-24T14:07:26.979-05:002020-02-24T14:07:26.979-05:00"attempting to make self-defense out of slave..."<i>attempting to make self-defense out of slavery</i>"...<br /><br />Sorry, I'm fluent in a couple of languages, and familiar with several more, but as I don't speak Dog Whistle, that little flourish is relegated to the gibberish pile.<br /><br />But pray, tell the class all the technological marvels wrought by anarchic societies, from pre-history to five minutes ago, and the boundless freedom and wealth they created.<br />Show all work.<br /><br />Then, cleverly contrast the paltry achievements of non-anarchic civilization, in creating such petty baubles as steam locomotives, powered flight, moon rockets, space satellites, television, and the computer on which you pound out such utter indefensible drivel, and explain the absolute squalor of that civilization compared to its opposite.<br /><br />Then realize that no one advocated <i>for</i> a central planner, (in fact, exactly the opposite, had you been paying any sort of attention), and stop whining about that dog whistle too.<br /><br />Alternatively, listen to your doctors, and go back on the meds, and trust when they tell you only <i>think</i> you sound sane without them.<br /><br />Nothing less can explain such a deep-rooted psychosis.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-32222289794460061752020-02-24T08:49:44.742-05:002020-02-24T08:49:44.742-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.sink dish washinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11045260226594707710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-20376322445339119032020-02-24T07:29:07.785-05:002020-02-24T07:29:07.785-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Lea Paige Matteohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11647599914869935821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-10196973148241552922020-02-23T19:09:03.556-05:002020-02-23T19:09:03.556-05:00making cornflakes out of radium is not just malum ...<i>making cornflakes out of radium is not just malum prohibidum, but rather malum in se</i><br /><br />And similarly, for attempting to make self-defense out of slavery. What anarchy is going to get me is a return to the trend line of technological growth, and the subsequent freedom and wealth. Given that great ape politics is instinctual for humans, I don't except the whining about the lack of a strongman central planner to ever end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-49502351417477361522020-02-23T14:39:03.744-05:002020-02-23T14:39:03.744-05:00My cheapo Wal-Mart prepaid smart phone is the most...My cheapo Wal-Mart prepaid smart phone is the most complicated part of my life. And I keep a loaded gun handy in case it gets out of line! I know people with the internet technology embedded in their entire life. Nice people, but entirely too trusting and naive. I've made a living fixing broken things for almost 40 years. The more technologically complicated it is the more unreliable it is...FredLewershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221076803807309775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-2564270262185175842020-02-23T12:56:25.249-05:002020-02-23T12:56:25.249-05:00Why couldn't he use the one already installed ...<i>Why couldn't he use the one already installed in the house? </i><br /><br />Especially since we got it last August. The previous one was blown by induced voltage when our palm tree got hit by lightning. <br /><br />We mentioned that before, but I'm going to pester them again about just using what we have. <br /><br /><i>As far as having ANY device that is always listening to what is going on in your house, I believe that anyone that purchases such a device doesn't have two brain cells to rub together. </i> <br /><br />And then they bitch when they find outsiders can listen in. <br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-66737893058060292422020-02-23T12:25:48.315-05:002020-02-23T12:25:48.315-05:00Why couldn't he use the one already installed ...Why couldn't he use the one already installed in the house?<br /><br />I've got a 35 year old Hunter Set N Save II programmable that I took with me when I moved out of my last abode. 4 wire hookup controls heat and AC (HVAC system). All one needs to do is match the color coded wires on the hookup panel. If I remember correctly, it cost me $50.00 at the time.<br /><br />As far as having ANY device that is always listening to what is going on in your house, I believe that anyone that purchases such a device doesn't have two brain cells to rub together. <br /><br />NemoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-22328346338808259132020-02-23T11:13:19.945-05:002020-02-23T11:13:19.945-05:00Funny you should bring this up. We're in the ...Funny you should bring this up. We're in the process of replacing our 15 year old central air conditioning system. They quoted a thermostat that offers WiFi and connects to an Alexa. We won't have an Alexa or any of those voice operated controls in the house. <br /><br />I told him I don't want a WiFi thermostat and he said it costs an extra $50 to leave it out. I'd be happy with the old mechanical ones that have bimetallic strip, I don't want programmable or WiFi. I'm paying extra to get a thermostat without WiFi. <br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-29126894524012274922020-02-23T11:01:58.995-05:002020-02-23T11:01:58.995-05:00We have as little of the "smart" tech in...We have as little of the "smart" tech in our home as possible. I don't need to have voice command over the appliances at the cost it involves. Don't need it at all, actually.<br />_revjen45Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-33741216437367015942020-02-23T10:50:21.721-05:002020-02-23T10:50:21.721-05:00After a career in technology, in my retirement I&#...After a career in technology, in my retirement I've started moving toward less technological complication in my life. I'm not giving up things like computers or my smartphone, but I'm giving all my gadgets, from my vehicles to that smartphone, a lot of side-eye. I've ditched the new-ish Subaru and went with an old GMC pickup as an example. I used less proprietary software than I used to, although I still use it where it's the best solution. Open source is often good enough for my needs.<br /><br />We would all do ourselves a favor, I think, if we thought a bit more about the effects our gadgets have on our lives in more depth. Do you really need every device in your home attached to the Internet? Are the new microprocessor controlled washer and dryer better than the old ones with mechanical controls? Does the snazzy glass cooktop that you can't use your grandmother's cast iron on cook any better than the old electric stoves with calrods? (Better yet, get a gas stove.)<br /><br />Mrs. Freeholder says I'm getting this way because I'm getting old. I think she's right, but it's because I've lived long enough to learn to see the long-term consequences of my decisions better than my 30 YO self could.The Freeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989697995675652792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-7709188859182333412020-02-22T14:52:15.353-05:002020-02-22T14:52:15.353-05:00No, they aren't. And clearly you can't rea...No, they aren't. And clearly you can't read either.<br />But have fun with anarchy, and tell us what it gets you.<br /><br />Lawsuits frequently are telling people that there are limits to their conduct, because, e.g., making cornflakes out of radium is not just <i>malum prohibidum</i>, but rather <i>malum in se</i>.<br /><br />This is why any sport worth the name has not just rules, but referees and umpires.<br />Perhaps you've noticed that, since nothing else penetrated after you read some load of twaddle like <i>Atlas Shrugged</i>.<br />- AesopAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-77347439135014369382020-02-22T14:09:32.876-05:002020-02-22T14:09:32.876-05:00Nobody is stopping a manufacturer from offering a ...Nobody is stopping a manufacturer from offering a tractor with Volkwagon-type maintenance properties. The Ubuntu phone is a thing. We the voters are entitled to force the manufacturers at gunpoint to correct a failure of the "market" to supply something we aren't willing to buy. "Laws", "lawsuits", and "regulations" are just words for forcing innocent people to be partial slaves at gunpoint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-47749805435665094122020-02-22T13:54:21.899-05:002020-02-22T13:54:21.899-05:00Many people buy John Deere equipment because their...Many people buy John Deere equipment because their father, grandfather and maybe even great grandfather bought it. Also JD has create implements that will only physically interface properly with a JD traction device. Sixteen years ago, I didn't buy a JD tractor because the "green paint" cost another $5000 more than the $20,000 I spent on another brand; the loyalists don't care.<br /><br />The automobile industry has tried the same sort of tricks. AMC created bolts and nuts that required special tools back in the 1970's. They used patents to prevent others from making the tools and only sold the tools to dealers. I don't remember that lasting long. I remember too when the auto companies tried to use not doing normal servicing like oil changes, tire rotations, etc. at their dealers to void the warranties. That didn't last long either.<br /><br />It will yet again take lawsuits and probably another law or two to break the control over software.BillBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17593147581583316765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-79379264681204264862020-02-22T13:23:36.013-05:002020-02-22T13:23:36.013-05:00I saw that, but I applied the 80% rule, stole it, ...I saw that, but I applied the 80% rule, stole it, and pasted it on FB.Ed Bonderenkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03724552853113809036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-77079967451720413942020-02-22T10:15:44.461-05:002020-02-22T10:15:44.461-05:00I didn't really catch that either, but there a...I didn't really catch that either, but there are other problems I have with it. It talks about "Earth have limited resources" and that has nothing to do with the right to fix things you own. First off, if anyone fixes it the resources are saved, not just if the owner does. Second off, it's just plain silly. If resources were that scarce, recycling wouldn't be collapsing because there's no money in it, and landfills would be mined. <br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-88861567339908922512020-02-22T07:39:27.453-05:002020-02-22T07:39:27.453-05:00Damn... it's so pervasive, I didn't pick u...Damn... it's so pervasive, I didn't pick up on that, however, that image really captures my own sentiment, because not everyone is capable of mech/tech work and it's vastly underappreciated today. It should be celebrated... Go Mike Rowe! Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15581662615586346808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-73989857223502265862020-02-22T07:03:55.790-05:002020-02-22T07:03:55.790-05:00I could do with rather less communist iconography....I could do with rather less communist iconography.Bezzlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12752975251705231877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-39058871777721446002020-02-22T02:11:24.790-05:002020-02-22T02:11:24.790-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.sink dish washinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11045260226594707710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-20766998015911897172020-02-22T01:14:45.610-05:002020-02-22T01:14:45.610-05:00Like much of the march of progress (and chaos) thi...Like much of the march of progress (and chaos) this is going to take lawsuits to fix.<br /><br />People are going to have to sue to force hardware manufacturers to assume the cost of upgrading, for example, a PC, when it is no longer capable of handling the operating updates.<br /><br />It's going to have to be turned back around on them.<br />When Ma Bell owned the phone system, the phones were built like brick sh*thouses, to last 100 years of heavy-duty use. The onus to upgrade them was on Ma Bell, not you.<br /><br />Alternatively, people will have to revolt: if my PC/car/gadget can be turned on and off, downgraded, etc., then the maker is going to have to eat 90% of the costs for it up front, as it's no longer "mine". I'll happily pay $20/year to rent their machine, and they can do what they like with it.<br />If they're not willing to do that, and take the hit on not collecting revenue up front, someone else will build machines that will run actual open-source software, and run existing computer and software companies out of business, exactly as happened to music companies, as is happening to movie and television production studios.<br /><br />Boilerplate "licensing" agreements aren't worth the signatures they're not signed with, and it's going to take some nuclear lawsuits to make that point in court, but it's inevitable.<br /><br />Back in the day, Edison & Co. tried to shake down everyone making a movie as someone who owed him a cut of the action, and NY/NJ courts and judges, in Edison's pocket, upheld that idea.<br /><br />So half a dozen young gentleman of Askenazi heritage realized that if they were going to make movies, they'd have to get out from under Edison's thumb, and they hopped the train westward. They arrived in Phoenix the one day it was raining in months, so they continued on to Union Station, in Los Angeles, and decided that was the perfect place to make movies.<br /><br />Edison's stranglehold on the technology was broken, and the rest is history. Literally.<br /><br />The next train hopped will be metaphorical, but somebody (or a lot of them) are going to do with software and the internet of <i>my</i> things, what guys named Mayer, Thalberg, Fox, etc. did with motion pictures: break them out of serfdom.<br /><br />Mark my words.<br /><br /><br />People will be free, and they will own their possessions outright. You can't stop the signal.<br /><br />- Aesop<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-19351132198303421922020-02-21T23:28:54.500-05:002020-02-21T23:28:54.500-05:00About the John Deere tractors, you'd think som...About the John Deere tractors, you'd think some other manufacture would sell a comparable tractor without the restrictions. These are not cheap machines... There must be more to it than I realize.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05450082315014407506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-74660924374860077552020-02-21T23:18:54.810-05:002020-02-21T23:18:54.810-05:00to somewhere in Finland It went to anon.penet.Finl...<i>to somewhere in Finland</i> It went to anon.penet.Finland. At the time it was one of the secure sites on the Internet. I had an account there as did just about everyone else in the rackets.LLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538854359365988863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1592992209402300549.post-65862135577329835512020-02-21T21:44:54.019-05:002020-02-21T21:44:54.019-05:00Excellent post -- and the ownership thing's su...Excellent post -- and the ownership thing's surely valid. That in mind, the Medieval serf, descendant of his Roman forebears, had more "days off" and perhaps as much fun as today's corporate shelf-stacking serfs at Walmart, or wherever.<br /><br />Of course the Medieval thing was tempered by Christendom, which was a real and pervasive cultural force. Today?<br /><br />Pretty much gone. So I say beware our new Tech Overlords. Forgive the ramble! LSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08120630078039958644noreply@blogger.com