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Tuesday, October 22, 2024

Starship Test Flight 5 "Worries" The IAC

The IAC; the International Astronautical Congress, the organization that held their annual meeting in Milan last week, that big professional organization expressed worries after Test Flight 5?  The mission that has gotten tons of pundits talking about what an incredible accomplishment it was - including a big group of pundits that aren't space reporters and don't follow everything going on - has gotten the IAC worried?  That's the headline at SpaceNews: "Latest Starship flight prompts praise and worries at IAC" and it caught my eye. 

SpaceX themselves kept a low key at the IAC. They didn't have a booth at the show, and didn't put on any big presentations. They let the test flight speak for itself. Along with some other big names that also spoke for it.

“Just yesterday, SpaceX has a very successful fifth launch as they develop this very large rocket,” NASA Administrator Bill Nelson said during an Oct. 14 plenary session that features the heads of several space agencies. “This was another one of the steps in the iteration of developing that.”

He added at a press conference the next day that work on the HLS version of Starship was on schedule. “I think you saw as a result of Sunday’s test of SpaceX and its big rocket that they are moving along very well, and that will determine ultimately the timing for the landing of Artemis 3 on the moon,” he said. “As of Sunday’s test, it was right on the mark.”

“They are right on making the benchmarks as they are planning to land in late ’26,” he said of SpaceX later in the briefing.

The worries end up being nothing negative about the test flight itself. The worries are that SpaceX is so far ahead of the rest of the industry that they can't catch up. Things like last night's post about them getting 100% of new contracts might become more common. 

“Congratulations to SpaceX, what an incredible feat of engineering! Mars, here we come,” Rocket Factory Augsburg stated in a social media post Oct 14. “At the same time, the coin has a second side: it shows and confirms that Europe has completely lost touch. Can it still catch up? No chance. At least not the way things are going at the moment.”

Rocket Factory Augsburg?  They're the company that had a static fire test of their rocket end in a RUD in August (first story in a Roundup post). They're a privately owned space company but the European Space Agency isn't that far ahead of them. They used to be one of the world's major space agencies, but seem to have lost their recipes. 

In an Oct. 15 interview, Josef Aschbacher, director general of the European Space Agency, said he was “fascinated” by the launch from an engineering perspective. “I then have to think, what does it mean for Europe, and to see what would be the change in the landscape and the ecosystem, and what do we need to do.”

Europe, he acknowledged, cannot compete head-to-head with Starship but could instead take advantage of broader changes in the space economy enabled by Starship. “How do we position ourselves in this ecosystem that is developing now?” he said. “You can imagine that if Starship brings 100 tons into space frequently, this will change everything out there in space, how things are constructed and how space is being utilized.”

Screen grab from a video seconds before the grab. Image credit: SpaceX 

While the American "old space" industry still hasn't really come to the realization that reusability changes everything, the Chinese are getting close to reusability and the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) has announced a development program for a Next Generation Launch Vehicle that will provide increased payload performance over existing rockets and be based on a reusable booster. S. Somanath, chairman of the Indian space agency, estimated NGLV will take six years to develop.

“I think all of you realize that reusability is mandatory for launchers,” he said. 

Meanwhile, we have an American old space company (whose name I will omit out of too much courtesy) is figuratively saying, "we'll spit the engines out of the booster and let them fall into the ocean. Then we'll just clean 'em up and reuse 'em. They're more expensive than the rest of the booster."  This is reusability as an afterthought.



19 comments:

  1. This smells like regulatory administrators planning what to do about Space X.

    Space X hasn't set out to create a monopoly, yet that monopoly has come into existence. Therefore, they (gov agency admin) can't charge Space X in that way ... yet.

    The comment from the Director General bothers me. 'How to position (ESA) in the world Space X has created.'. He has given voice to like minded administrators.

    I think the various governments are searching ways to hobble Space X so that Space X will become subservient to those administrators.

    They will have to be very careful on how they regulate Space X lest Elon, Inc just calls it quits.
    In the way of administrators, they are wanting to control this new way of space business. They want to be the ones to have the road to tomorrow. But they haven't the means and they aren't in control. That has to irk them. So, for now, they set their eyes on Space X, but their minds are on how to make what is his, theirs.

    I haven't expressed my thoughts very well here. What I have written will suffice for now.

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    1. '... calls it quits ...', i.e. change to a new game.

      Also, stoopit phone software got me again. Should read, '... pave the road ...'

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    2. How soon before the stinking UN gets involved and tries to throttle SpaceX? The statement from the IAC is probably the leading shot in an international war of space.

      And you know Red China and Roscosmos is behind some of this. Who else, besides the Euromonkeys, would benefit? Even if SpaceX is throttled, there's no way the Euromonkeys can compete against Red China and Roscosmos. Heck, there's no chance Roscosmos will survive competition against Red China.

      All those UN nations that hate the US, you know their politicians are salivating at the mouth at a chance to get a dig in on the Evil Americans and the epitome of free enterprise, Elon Musk.

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    3. Why would they need to do so when Commimala will do it FOR them?

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    4. (puts tinfoil great helm on over normal tinfoil hat) Well, Commimala is a mouthpiece for the One-World-Government-that-Hates-the-US, so...

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  2. I was wondering when The Other Space Companies would start crying "NOT FAIR!"....even though they haven't said it yet, they're bound to.

    Hey, SiG...been doing any work lately on your little engines? That's quite a fascinating project to me.

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    1. Haven't been saying it? Who's behind the slow-roll by the EPA and the FAA and other government agencies? Who's been sicking the Feds on SpaceX for not hiring illegals and undocumenteds?

      And, looking at Blue Origins, how many legal actions has BO taken against SpaceX? How long any work on HLS was stopped by a federal judge (not even allowing basic computer work to be done) by a series of lawsuits? And how much money has BO robbed from the whole space program by forcing NASA to fund their bullscat? And what about the latest lawsuit by BO against SpaceX where they're worried that SpaceX's launch tempo, once Starship comes on line, will 'overload' Canaveral's 'resources' and pose a threat to all other launch 'providers?'

      And who's behind California's insane throttling of SpaceX's launches from... California. Which is being blamed on due to Musk's political and financial support of President Trump, but, really, I can easily see the BoeLocMart-ULA people drumming up anti-SpaceX sentiments.

      And ULA? Doing so well the company is potentially up for sale? While SpaceX keeps blowing stuff up and succeeding right and left despite all the obstacles tossed in their way (like the aforementioned complete stop on HLS, which affected Starship, so SpaceX just concentrated on the groundside of the operation...)

      And ESA? Their administration for the longest time said "NON!!!" to any of their stuff flying on SpaceX because Ariane would fly it, until Ariane couldn't.

      Look at how much business SpaceX has taken away from Russia and Europe. That's gotta be a big sting in everyone else's bums.

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    2. This IS the Biden administration. What else would you expect?

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    3. DrJim - short version, I dropped the engine I started work on the more I looked at the plans and then looked around. I had started on that one because a guy I kind of know who sells detailed engine prints on the side gave them to me, but at the time I had wanted to build a hit and miss engine. Those are a bit more involved. Hard as it is to remember all that, I started in July of '21 and put it aside June '22.

      My most ambitious shop work since then has been the work on my tower and that was in May of '23.

      I think I have some hit or miss plans around here, and it's one of those things I want to get back to.

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  3. Let 'em yap.
    I don't think Elon and Gwynne really give a rodent's donkey about ESA and crew...

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  4. You know you're doing something right when the incompetents start whining out loud.

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  5. I am somewhat reminded of the Jerry Pournelle story High Justice, where the innovator of space travel escapes Earth to get away from those that would constrain them. This is a possible (though longer term) danger: that those that make simply leave those that legislate behind.

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    1. We're in that awkward era between thinking we could just "escape Earth to get away from those that would constrain them" and actually being able to escape Earth. Personally, I'll never see it. I think that's maybe another 50 years from now. I'm guessing maybe 20 to start a colony on Mars, and 30 to get it to the point where it could survive an embargo. Unless someone comes up with something like a Star Trek "replicator" that can synthesize food from CO2.

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  6. In general a healthy competitive industry is best, but crippling the leader because the runner ups are incompetent seems unwise.

    Then again, industry at nation-state levels is rarely politics free.

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    1. Well, we do live in an era where everyone gets a trophy while those that actually succeed or win are punished.

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    2. We have a Peter Principle government, Beans.

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    3. Harrison Bergeron was NOT supposed to be a documentary.... Damnit.

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  7. How about, just spitballing here, quit complaining about the guy who has spent the time in the gym and go lift?

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  8. It's Monte Testaccio all over again, but in outer space.

    But these people will tell us that they are smarter (and nicer) than we are. Oooooh kaaaay.

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