A really rare thing took place in front of a congressional subcommittee today. An expert witness, former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin, told them China is going to beat us to the moon and the plans to get there cannot work. More surprising was someone saying out loud that the reason the Artemis program is in such a deep hole is because of the perpetually late and over budget Space Launch System (SLS) and the recognition that the cost plus contracts they've been working under are a big problem.
Let's back up a minute.
Remember back in October when acting NASA adminstrator Sean Duffy did a review of the situation, partly to shake up everything? He got some things right but also got others wrong - in particular no focus on the cost plus contracts. But a month or six weeks before that, in the wake of Senator Ted Cruz hosting a "save the SLS" meeting in the Senate, Duffy was arguing we need to make Artemis III's mission the last SLS launch because we simply can't afford to use the SLS. In particular what Duffy said was:
If Artemis I, Artemis II, and Artemis III are all $4 billion a launch, $4 billion a launch. At $4 billion a launch, you don’t have a Moon program. It just, I don’t think that exists.
If I may be allowed to pirate that a little, I read that as, "$4 billion here, 4 billion there, pretty soon you're talking real money."
As for what to do about it, Griffin said legislators should end the present plan.
“The Artemis III mission and those beyond should be canceled and we should start over, proceeding with all deliberate speed,” Griffin said. He included a link to his plan, which is not dissimilar from the “Apollo on Steroids” architecture he championed two decades ago, but was later found to be unaffordable within NASA’s existing budget.
That says the Artemis II SLS and Orion Capsule they just stacked for its February 5 mission will be the last SLS ever launched. I don't see how that could be relevant to whatever program replaces this, and if it's not relevant to whatever the program becomes, I say scrap it.
As I'm sure you're all aware, while there has always been a few percent of people who say we've never been to the moon, an argument I've noticed lately that I hadn't heard in the 1990s is along the lines of "things were so primitive in the 1960s, we barely had computers, how did we go then when technology today is so much better?" One of the reasons is people designing the Artemis programs thought it would be a waste to recreate the Apollo missions - send two guys to the moon for a day or two and come right back? That's silly.
The idea was to build out a way to stay on the moon longer. So they built the SLS rocket and capsule system (SLS = Shuttles' Leftover Shit) that falls short of the Apollo-Saturn V combination and kept band-aiding things onto that. A Lunar Space Station, um, "Lunar Gateway" that Apollo didn't need because they could get there for a couple of days, for example. Near Rectilinear Halo Orbits and more.
The most stringent criticism of the Artemis Program was offered by former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin. He has long been a critic of NASA’s approach toward establishing what the space agency views as a “sustainable” path back to the Moon, which relies on reusable lunar landers that are refueled in space.
Griffin reiterated that criticism on Thursday, without naming SpaceX or Blue Origin, and their Starship and Blue Moon Mk 2 landers.
“The bottom line is that an architecture which requires a high number of refueling flights in low-Earth orbit, no one really knows how many, uses a technology that has not yet ever been demonstrated in space, is very unlikely to work—unlikely to the point where I will say it cannot work,” Griffin said.
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“Sticking to a plan is important when the plan makes sense,” Griffin said. “China is sticking to a plan that makes sense. It looks a lot, in fact, like what the United States did for Apollo. Provably, that worked. Sticking to a plan that will not work for Artemis III and beyond makes no sense.”
Aside from recognition and credit to the Commercial Lunar Payload Services, CLPS, which has been behind many of the small budget missions to the moon over the last several years, the other positive things to come out of the meeting came from Dean Cheng of the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies, who said NASA and Congress must do a better job of holding itself and its contractors accountable.
Many of NASA’s major exploration programs, including the Orion spacecraft, Space Launch System rocket, and their ground systems, have run years behind schedule and billions of dollars over budget in the last 15 years. NASA has funded these programs with cost-plus contracts, so it has had limited ability to enforce deadlines with contractors. Moreover, Congress has more or less meekly gone along with the delays and continued funding the programs.
Cheng said that whatever priorities policymakers decide for NASA, failing to achieve objectives should come with consequences.
“One, it needs to be bipartisan, to make very clear throughout our system that this is something that everyone is pushing for,” Cheng said of establishing priorities for NASA. “And two, that there are consequences, budgetary, legal, and otherwise, to the agency, to supplying companies. If they fail to deliver on time and on budget, that it will not be a ‘Well, okay, let’s try again next year.’ There need to be consequences.”
“There need to be consequences?” This needs to apply to everything DC regulates/rules over and every agency doing it.
The Artemis II vehicle inside the Vehicle Assembly Building, this November. Image credit: NASA

Yes, contractors need to have their feet held to the fire. No, I don't believe Congress will do the right thing. Too many lobbyists with their "donations".
ReplyDeleteAnd FAR MORE employees with their votes!
DeleteBut then surely that money will be spent on more important things like health care for illegal alien terrorist invaders, and reparations!!!
NASA needs their feet held in the fire more than the contractors. Cost plus incentivizes everything they can do to deliver late and over budget. There was a story about SLS having bad welds, which meant Boeing got paid to build a whole new replacement (tank or whatever). Why should they hire anyone who knows how to weld? They get paid more to take longer and paid more for doing it twice. It they lost money on it, I guarantee they would go find the best welders they could find.
DeleteGood story in this August '24 post about how bad their quality is.
Cost plus makes sense when a contractor is making something no one has ever done before, like the Saturn V in the mid 1960s. For everything else, fixed price. If they want incentives, there should be disincentives as well.
“There need to be consequences?”
DeleteI am reminded of the truism from Dr. Sowell which perfectly describes our current steady state bureaucracy/deep state...
"It is hard to imagine a more Stupid or Dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who Pay No Price for being Wrong".
But we can Never hold our Political Royalty personally responsible no matter how much it costs.
Absolute truth in that quote from Dr. Sowell.
DeleteCost plus is even worse because they get rewarded for doing poorly, like that reference to the bad welding quality.
All y'all know my two cents on this: SLS Must DIE!
ReplyDeleteA corollary is that Cost Plus also needs to die, because it's just flat stoopid to be doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Problem is... CONgress. The opposite of PROgress. Polt-tick-shuns holding out their greedy little hands for kickbacks from Space Program contractors. And don't EVEN try to tell me this doesn't happen. I'm NOT a fan of Ted Cruz and his good-ol-boy actions and attitudes regarding the Space Program's funding and actions and so forth, trying to keep the pork flowing which benefits his political career. Sorry, I'm rather peeved at him regarding this.
Anyway, let's divorce Boeing and divert some of those billions to SpaceX, which is going to go to the Moon in spite of Oy-rion, SLS, Blue Goon, etc. Stand back and let 'em work.
Of course, I've been less adamant about saying SLS must die because of realizing that it seemed like the only way to get back to the moon. New Glenn? Get real. Even Starship is too far away. There still seems to be too many big hurdles as it is. Ted Cruz was so transparently doing the big presentation for SLS simply because it can help get him voters that it was hard to take seriously except as a way to buy voters.
DeleteIt's ironic that NASA, the same agency that got us to the moon first 55+ years ago, will be the agency that prevents us from getting to the moon now.
SiG: it's not the same NASA. Two or three generations later (55 years, average employee in place for 20 years as a guess) and all the "old guard" are gone. The culture changes from "can do" to "bureaucratic morass" slowly but it does happen. Rules become more important than results. And sonon. I'm seeing the same things at national labs. Everyone sees the problem, but nobody in a position to do so will drive the changes to return to the old ways of getting things done. Instead all they do is talk about how we have to do better.
DeleteSorry for the cynicism, I'm seeing promising young folks getting their morale and drive crushed on a regular basis, and there is nothing I can do to stop it. Sigh.
I worked at Rocketdyne when we were designing and building the power system for the Space Station (work package 4). Fully half the year was spent working to adjust schedules to account for Yet Another Budget change. It is hard to schedule a years-long build when funding is constantly changing. Congress seemed to think you could get a baby in 18 months if you fed the mother 50% of the food required for twice as long, then switch gears and get a baby in 3 months by getting three women pregnant. Very frustrating, and a big part of why I moved from SE&I to IT and then out of aerospace entirely.
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