There's a big problem with AI that just isn't getting talked about enough. The vast majority of stuff we read about AI is how it's going to help with every problem, or take every job, depending on which way they look at it. We're all going to have an AI servant, or Master, again depending on which way they look at it.
The real issue, the existential problem is that AI sucks so much power, they're going to black out the rest of humanity. It will never get to the point of being really useful without truly enormous increases in power generation. Perhaps you've seen the story at Microsoft has repaired and gotten the Three Mile Island nuclear power station back online for their AI power needs - and will get exclusive access to all the power it can generate. There have been similar stories around the world.
Friday, we learned that Eric Schmidt - the former CEO of Google - has bought Relativity space apparently in preliminary design for data centers in orbit, to get access to the solar power.
We know this because Schmidt appeared before the House Committee on Energy and Commerce during a hearing in April, speaking on the future of AI and US competitiveness. Among the topics raised then was the need for more electricity—both renewable and non-renewable—to power data centers that will facilitate the computing needs for AI development and applications. Schmidt noted that an average nuclear power plant in the United States generates 1 gigawatt of power.
Then he rattled off some numbers that might blow your mind or cause your eyes to bleed.
"People are planning 10 gigawatt data centers," Schmidt said. "Gives you a sense of how big this crisis is. Many people think that the energy demand for our industry will go from 3 percent to 99 percent of total generation. One of the estimates that I think is most likely is that data centers will require an additional 29 gigawatts of power by 2027, and 67 more gigawatts by 2030. These things are industrial at a scale that I have never seen in my life."
AI applications consume an enormous amount of computing power. A single ChatGPT query consumes approximately 10 times more energy than a Google search does. The US energy industry is not well prepared for this kind of dramatic growth in energy demand, as power consumption over the last decade has increased by about 0.5 percent a year. Data centers also consume significant amounts of water for cooling.
There is no way our society could get 29 gigawatts more power generation from reactors, burning gas, oil or anything built in two years (by '27). Which says another 67 more gigawatts in three more years just isn't happening, either. Which raises the reasonable question of how does Eric Schmidt get there? First off, he doesn't need to. He needs to power his business, not the entire AI industry.
If he's going to try to build power plants and data centers in space, that spawns a bunch of other problems, starting with how to get that much stuff into space - which seems to explain why Schmidt bought Relativity Space. He needs big, reusable rockets and a lot of flights of them. The biggest rocket, although not yet operational, is Starship. I think the odds of him buying a huge number of Starship flights aren't very good, but while it's a small number, it's better than the odds of him buying SpaceX itself. Yeah, no.
The Blue Origin's New Glenn is smaller, not a whole lot closer to flying lots of missions than Starship and Blue is also owned by a billionaire. Again, not likely. ULA's Vulcan rocket is expensive, and it's already behind its predicted launch manifest. Rocket Lab's Neutron vehicle is coming soon, but it's the smallest of these and may not be large enough for Schmidt's ambitions.
That leaves the Terran R being developed by Relativity Space, which has appeared here a couple of times.
If fully realized, Terran R would be a beastly launch vehicle capable of launching 33.5 metric tons to low-Earth orbit in expendable mode—more than a fully upgraded Vulcan Centaur—and 23.5 tons with a reusable first stage. If you were a billionaire seeking to put large data centers into space and wanted control of launch, Relativity is probably the only game in town.
I know of no visualization graphics for orbiting power farms that would be
powered by photovoltaics and radiate their waste heat into space, although one
would be great here.
Solving launch is just one of the challenges this idea faces, of course. How big would these data centers be? Where would they go within an increasingly cluttered low-Earth orbit? Could space-based solar power meet their energy needs? Can all of this heat be radiated away efficiently in space? Economically, would any of this make sense?
These are not simple questions. But Schmidt is correct that the current trajectory of power and environmental demands created by AI data centers is unsustainable. It is good that someone is thinking big about solving big problems.
Relativity Space's current computer rendering of their Terran R, full vehicle
and landed booster. Pretty much impossible to guess the size. Image Credit: Relativity Space
It's bad enough powering bitcoin data mining centers, which use up huge amounts of energy (funny how the environazis never talk about that while wanting us to not use air conditioning or drive cars or use lightbulbs or...) But the AI power demands? Are they high? On crack?
ReplyDeleteThat's a crazy amount of potential power needs. And an unsustainable one. And one that I feel is all bullscat, as in 'not happening.'
I could be wrong. But...
I'd say worse than unsustainable - unobtainable. Considering how hard it is to get any power plant built, let alone a nuclear plant, I just can't see it happening. Just so AI can do homework, or create pictures of beautiful women with horribly mutated hands and feet?
DeleteIf the electricity is diverted to AI to produce amusements or makework, then the electricity is not doing something more productive for the middle class. The opposite of a middle class is nobles and serfs, and nobles call themselves government to hide their agenda of turning the middle class into serfs.
ReplyDeleteIt's starting to look like AI is the new climate change.
ReplyDeleteThis is stupid. When you convert from calories to watts I get estimates of about 20Wh for a human brain. For the cost of some hot dogs and a tuna sandwich you can run a human for a whole day. How much power does chatgpt use in a day? I thought modern software was bloated but this takes the bloat to a whole new level. The only reason the elites even consider this is because they have access to cheap money. Take that away and AI goes away.
ReplyDeleteBezos / Blue Origin / Amazon owns Amazon Web Services (AWS), one of the largest data center owners on earth, maybe soon to be, off earth too. Once the offworld economy gets going, the countries that embrace the quaint ideas of net zero, global blah blah, will be outpaced by more realistic and competitive countries. In times past, micro countries the Netherlands (Dutch East India Company) and Portugal ruled the world. There will be new opportunities and new leaders.
ReplyDeleteIt won't happen, obviously, which means that there's a roadblock. Much money is to be made getting over that one.
ReplyDeleteNow by any measure I am not knowledgeable regarding AI, but a fellow I met at a party was giving a dissertation and made the claim, present AI is not, its just very advanced digital computing and software, he claimed only when "quantum" computers are developed can autonomous true AI work. Whatever that means by "Quantum". Sounds like sci-fi come to life.
ReplyDeleteI've written about quantum computers a bunch of times. The question above all else as I see it is if the groups who say they're developing them are really fooling themselves or just trying to fool everyone else. If they put the word "quantum" in front of it, it's automatically better to sell. AI is the same way. If you write a big enough program it's going to do some unexpected things. Sometimes it might even be right.
DeleteYou can use the search box at the top left of this page (on a computer, I've never tried it on a phone) and just enter "quantum". I'm still laughing at them.
Appreciate you, thanks for the cogent comment.
DeleteThat global domination game clown show, they got the serious hots for AI. Thats all I need to know. Means to me they all got some kind of terror and control BS going with it, and me and folks like me are the target, nothing whatsoever good about it either with that crowd of arse-holes. Put bank on it. Guarantee it.
ReplyDeleteHow they get there is SuperHeavy. All this altrulistic speak about being multi planetary is a schema for ruling with an iron fist. And its no longer governments, they are past that experiment in control, a total fail, they are moving on to their select relative few selves just ruling outright everyone they allow to survive to suit their needs. Thats the direction they have planned. Patently obvious, it is clear when you critical think it out. Not even requires a conspiracy theory, its the trajectory of events plus circular nature of history. Megalomaniacs trying to control everything and everyone. First they get control of the financial world. The rest follows. My #1 question is when what how they attempt their mass die off to rid themselves of the so called bottom feeders. Those are their words. Not gonna be easy for them without destroying the earth itself. I doubt they are capable of it, don't mean they won't wreck a lot of stuff and murder a lot of people along the way; i just think, Imagine a world without them, and smile.
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