Sunday, October 19, 2025

A little side story

Mostly a repost, but with some corrections and clarifications. 

Growing up during the Mercury and Gemini programs, I also got interested in telescopes and astronomy.  Something that was talked about everywhere was making your own telescope, including grinding the mirror.  The most commonly talked about telescope was a 6" f8 reflector, which you would grind the mirror for and make an equatorial mount out of galvanized plumbing parts.  I had never really started down that road, but by 7th grade, I had my first good telescope (a 4" f10 reflector).  Note in both cases, the f number is the focal length divided by the objective's (mirror's) diameter

In junior high, maybe the end of 9th grade, I learned there was one of those "every 20 years" closest Mars oppositions coming (August 1971 - right before the start of my high school senior year) and a friend and I decided we were going to make our own telescopes to see Mars.  We had books that said a great first scope to make was an 8" f7. So about two years before the close opposition, this friend and I bought 8" Pyrex mirror blanks, the "plain glass tools" that we'd need, abrasives and the empty 55 gallon drums we'd need to do the grinding on.  I was going to do it! 

Except without someone to guide you through the rough points, it's not necessarily easy.  In my case, I banged the mirror on my work stand (the 55 gallon drum, which my parents graciously allowed in my bedroom) and took a big chip out of it.  Instead of finishing the mirror and painting the chip flat black, the accepted wisdom of how to fix such things (which I didn't know), I tried to grind the chip out and, well, never got that 8" mirror made. 

While I didn't get mine finished, my friend did.  I don't even remember seeing Mars during that opposition. We were still friends, so something tells me, maybe his wasn't all that successful either.  Since it was over 50 years ago, and we lost touch with each other within a couple of years of graduating high school I can't ask but I suspect his may not have worked well, either. 

Fast forward 20 years to about 1990, now an adult working for Major SE Defense Contractor, I got the bug again.  This time, it was the information age and the internet offered a precursor to the web called Newsgroups.  Buoyed on by the folks on sci.astro.amateur, and with the help of a really great book, I made my first successful mirror and first good telescope, a 6" f8 mirror; that is, 48" focal length, and a Newtonian Reflector.  It makes a good size, but like a lot of addictions, it leaves you wanting more.  

I started a bigger mirror, 10" f6.  I missed the focal length; it came out f5.6 which is still perfectly usable.  This was a more difficult mirror, but a 10" mirror gives a serious advantage over the smaller mirror.  Area goes up as radius squared, so it has a little under 3 times the area as the 6" mirror.  I completed the 10", again with some help from people I met on the newsgroups.  I built the telescope as a Dobsonian, altitude-azimuth style mount.  This is actually the second iteration of the telescope, when I replaced the typical cardboard tube (used as a form when pouring concrete) with a metal tube. 


By extreme luck, I completed this telescope in early 1994, the year that Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 crashed into Jupiter.  Nobody in all of human history had ever seen such a thing, and we saw the impact marks on Jupiter from our backyard through this telescope.  Armed with star charts and the old fashioned method of "star hopping" (going from landmark star to star in your finder scope until you find the object you're looking for), I spent several years exploring the sky with it.  

The story goes a bit sideways here.  These telescopes have a lot going for them but they have a serious drawback: they don't track an object so that you constantly have to reposition the scope while looking at a planet or other object to compensate for the apparent motion in the eyepiece.  On higher powers, say 300x or more, the earth's rotation can cause a planet to drift cross the field of view in seconds. (As a side note, this is half the speed of a clock's hour hand.  A star on the celestial equator goes from due east to due west in 12 hours.  That's the same as going from 3 to 9 on a clock - which shows that the clock does it twice as fast). 

It's now in the early 2000s, and my career had gotten to the point where I had "more money than time" and with that the funds to buy a commercial telescope with a computerized tracking mount and a new feature called "GoTo".  With a GoTo system, you typically tell a handheld controller what object you want to view and it moves the telescope until it puts that object in your field of view.  I literally saw more deep sky objects in my first night with that scope than I used to see in a season without the GoTo feature. 

One night, we set up a test in the backyard.  We put the commercial telescope, an 11" compound reflector side by side with my 10" reflector.  We pushed the same magnification on both scopes.  Both Mrs. Graybeard and I thought the image in my telescope was sharper - more detail visible. 

This led to a plan to go back to using mine and getting a mount for it that allowed tracking and GoTo.   Much to my surprise, I don't have any pictures of the telescope at that time.  I repainted it blue because the original paint job chipped maddeningly (I bought the tube pre-painted inside and out).  Not to get into too many details but some old plastic parts had broken down with age and had to be replaced.


The big telescope tube is 12" diameter and 60" long, for scale. Oh, for closure, look to the right of the black mount and you'll see an odd-shaped blue structure with a white disk on its side. That's my 6" f8 reflector that I started the story with. It's in a square, plywood tube, but it's a Dobsonian style mount, too. (The black box with the orange strap on a cart is an electrically heated smoker.)
I connected the controller computer to the mount and turned it on. It acted like I'd turned it off the minute before. Never missed a beat. There's still a little bit of maintenance to do on things but it's usable. The thing is, I haven't used it since the year was in single digits, like '08 or '09. Our neighborhood trees (including my own) have grown up so much that it's difficult to see the sky, and what we can see is light polluted. To use it now, the 4" casters won't cut it. Those are fine for the porch, but to get it out to where it can see even a sliver of sky, I need 20 or 26" mountain bike tires on the mount. Or garden cart wheels. And that's another redesign and building project. 

As a general rule, around here the best time for observing, at least as far as weather, bugs and general comfort matter is winter. As a coincidence, the better weather reduces radio noise from electrical storms, so winter is better for all my hobbies, even including working in the machine shop. Some backyard astronomy info might find its way into the space coverage.



9 comments:


  1. Back in the early 90s a couple of the hams in the radio club were also in the local astronomy club. I also knew another of the astronomy club members professionally as he was chief engineer of one of the local TV stations.

    One Saturday night a month, they would load up and go out to the Buffalo Lake National Wildlife Refuge. This happened to be where Field Day was setup by the radio club so I was familiar with the location. It had almost no light pollution due to its remote location. Several of the members had the huge telescopes like the one in you picture. There was an assortment of smaller telescopes also.

    I was amazed at the view through these monster telescopes. I didn't have the money to be able get into the hobby, but I was grateful to those who were willing to share a view through their equipment. It was a wonderful experience.

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  2. Do not feel bad about mis-grinding that first mirror. Never forget the Horrible Space Telescope! Of course, they did grind that mirror perfectly, but to the wrong condition.
    And you said:
    "some old plastic parts had broken down"
    Does that mean we will be regaled with a 3D printing story?

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    1. That particular time, it was the wheels the scope rolled on and I had some spares. Next time? Could be.

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  3. Why not put it on a wagon for transport?

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    1. First, lifting it onto and off of the wagon twice, to go out into the yard and back into the house. Then that the telescope optically magnifies any vibration so it really needs to be rock solid. It's why professional observatories tend to be built on mountains. Remote mountains for the darker skies.

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  4. A couple of years ago, we bought a place in the country to be our BOL and retirement home. It has pretty dark skies, and is pretty radio quiet too. I was excited about both my radio hobby, and getting into astronomy.

    A couple of years before that, as part of a business convention dinner party, the company brought in the local astronomy club to provide an activity after dinner, and we got to look thru a 15" dob at Saturn. Oh my, I was a fish on the hook.

    Naturally, once we saw how dark and clear it was at our new place, we thought about how cool it would be to have a nice telescope. I kept my eyes open and I won a chinese 8" dob in an auction for only a couple of hundred bucks.

    We set it up on a dark night and saw both the rings of Saturn and moons around Jupiter. SUPER COOL.

    So I kept looking and won a 10" dob in another auction, this time, missing the base. I figured eventually the base would come up, and I'd put my 'scope together.

    We have not had a dark, clear night since. Not one in 2 years. We only get to the house for a weekend about every three weeks, and none of those visits has lined up with good viewing conditions. We've had some good viewing of the moon, because a light haze seems to be a bit helpful, but we're more likely to pull out one of the cheap smaller scopes for that, as they are just easier to set up.

    Fortunately, I do get to listen to shortwave and tune around the bands most times we're there. I still don't have an antenna set up, so no talking for me, but the listening is so much better than in Houston it's like night and day.

    At least one of my hobbies is getting some use. I wish you good luck and clear skies!

    nick

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  5. Sadly, the light pollution where you live just has to be horrendous! And to find clear skies you really have to go 'way west of the Mississippi. But it's a good hobby to explore nonetheless.

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    1. Assuming that's for me and not Nick, (Anon at 9:18) light pollution is worse than it was in the early 1990s (or before) but definitely not like "big cities" around here (Orlando, Tampa, St. Pete...). Another reason why winter is better than the more humid months. We also have an east/west gradient where the light pollution eases the farther to the east you get (strangely, there are no cities floating out there on the Atlantic). The beach is a good place to go watch for meteor showers at 3AM. BTDT many times. Although you're guaranteed to have a city cop pull in the parking lot and get questioned about why you're out there.

      A prominent memory is going to a beach parking lot to watch Halley's Comet when it had its last close pass in 1986, with my then five year old son and a Celestron Comet Catcher telescope - my only telescope at the time.

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    2. When I lived in Clearwater, the light pollution from the general area made it difficult to see more than three or four stars in the sky. Where I live now (3500', one town of 3400 within 100 miles) the skies are incredible. Details of the Milky Way with the naked eye incredible. Sadly, at the moment I don't own a decent telescope. I may have to rectify that.

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