I would say it's doubtful, but betting against Elon Musk has proven to be a pretty foolish thing to do. The thing is, it doesn't seem to be Musk's idea, it seems to be President Trump's.
Let me back up a little.
Like every other government agency, NASA is in the throws of changes from President Trump's first weeks in office, along with Musk's department, DOGE. The NASA folks are a bit rattled by it all. Jared Isaacman, Trump's pick to lead the organization, hasn't been confirmed yet, and hearings are currently anticipated to be in the second half of February. In the meantime, an interim administrator named Janet Petro was appointed, and like every other agency, has passed on the Executive Orders to remove diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility contracts and to "report" on anyone who did not carry out this order. As I'd expect, there are people in NASA upset by that like every other agency we read about.
Isaacman's approval taking until nearly March seems to be more an issue of the large numbers that congress is having to approve and not a sign of likely disapproval. In his last five years of funding orbital missions, Isaacman seemed to have come to be regarded as an earnest individual, genuinely interested in spaceflight and in advancing exploration for all. He is seen as the kind of young, dynamic, pro-space leader with the potential to usher NASA into the 21st century and out of the Apollo era it has been stuck in for decades. Most importantly, the idea of reaching Mars by 2029 is not his idea.
January of '29 also happens to be the last days of Trump's term and many speculate that's why he talks of "men on Mars by the end of this decade." At this point, I find it hard to imagine the Artemis program will be successful in getting astronauts to the moon by 2030 and putting people on Mars is orders of magnitude harder.
Artemis still depends on the horrific SLS, the Gateway station in a Near Rectilinear Halo Orbit near the moon and more. It also depends a lot on Starship, and the setback of losing the Starship on Flight Test 7 impacts this schedule when the required numbers of Starship flights are seen.
Going to Mars puts enormous demands on Starship. There's going to be a
need to launch numbers of Starships unlike anything ever launched
before. In a posting on X, Musk said, "Mass to orbit is the key metric,
thereafter mass to Mars surface. The former needs to be in the
megaton to orbit per year range to build a self-sustaining colony on
Mars." A megaton to orbit? The current Starship is the highest
capacity ever built and the largest Version 3 Starship proposed carries 200
tons to LEO. Musk calculates that he would have to achieve
5,000 Starships launches of this size per year to support a Mars
colony. That's on the order of 14 Starship launches per day. You
think near Earth orbit is crowded now?
All that Musk has said that I can find is that he plans to start launching unmanned Starships to Mars in the next launch window (optimum planetary alignment) in 2026, and, if that goes well, perhaps manned flights by 2028/29.
As hard as 5000 Starship launches a year sounds, there are still many problems
out there. Many of them are related to the "couple of months every two
years" launch windows and the problems of being in space that long for a
crew. Crews will be exposed to more radiation from the sun and deep
space than any other crew ever has been, and it doesn't get much better than
that once they're on Mars. The planet's lack of a protective atmosphere
and magnetic field creates that. A nuclear engine that could get them to
Mars in a very short order and reduced the dependence on those tiny launch
windows would help exposure during flight but not on the planet.
Final words to the summary on Space.com
Generally, as laid out by Bob Zubrin in the last century, a Mars Direct approach would begin with successfully landing many uncrewed cargo ships in the same location on Mars with supplies including construction materials, consumables, mining & drilling equipment, electrochemical reactors for production of methane and oxygen, tankage, and the components of a nuclear power plant. Much of this would have to be done 2 years before the first humans were launched.
Actually, in theory, all of this could be done over decades, but 2029 is wildly unlikely, even for a one way, one astronaut suicide mission to plant a flag.
SpaceX first released this artist's conception of a settlement on Mars some years ago. It shows a domed city surrounded by photovoltaic farms and four Starships. Image credit: SpaceX I'd love to live long enough to see it, but seriously doubt that's possible.
The devil is always in the math. 5,000 launches a year would strain even Elon's checkbook. Now, if he got a bounty on every dollar saved by DOGE . . . .
ReplyDeleteMars’ lack of a robust and protective atmosphere and a weak magnetosphere can be somewhat mitigated by constructing permanent residential habitats underground. If mining is a principal activity to find minerals for oxygen extraction, that can work to the colonists’ possible advantage. That is not likely to be the case for the early missions anyway, and none of that mitigates radiation exposure during transit. As cool and inspiring as it would be for humans to travel to, and land on Mars, I find this whole enterprise a likely engineering disaster with extensive negative consequences for humans taking the trip. Of course, I hope that view can be sorted using new technical solutions.
ReplyDeleteIt seems rather incongruous that engineers and other professionals at NASA would be rattled by persistent rumors.
ReplyDeleteSo I'll put my question to SiG and others who have worked with or for NASA.
How typical is it that a change of the executive administration would conjure weighty concerns with respect of stability of the agency and/or continued employment?
It is difficult to fathom that engineers et al would be susceptible to spin up emotion. Especially when involved in complex long term projects.
Perhaps the best explanation is that the past few decades have been noted by weak or indifferent leadership. The bull now entering the arena is strong and decidedly goal oriented. This is significant change.
It will be interesting to see if anything can break the entrenched NASA bureaucracy/congressional kickback system. Literally NASA is a nation-wide congressionally funded jobs program directly and indirectly. NASA facilities are fought over in Congress like it's the trench warfare of WWI, including congressional versions of poison gas, automatic paper machines and so forth.
DeleteTo get anywhere, NASA needs to be broken, hard, and shed the useless bureaucracy and the engineers who only seem to know how to say "NO" to everything.
My answer: the institutional order is failing. Is that brief enough for what is politically complex and power centric orientation around an executive entity which has ruled in fee simple for decades?
DeleteDroids, not humans, sent to Mars. Boston Dynamics or other can design build maintain the bots.
ReplyDeleteManned flights only after sufficient infrastructure is operational.
SpaceX/Tesla already has a line of humanoid robots, so they may just go with internally created robots.
DeleteThen again, there are Boston Dynamics 'Spot' robots running around Starbase in Texas.
The short travel window between Earth and Mars only needs to be done by manned starships. Unmanned cargo starships can literally fly and coast all year or years long if needed.
ReplyDeleteAnd, yes, if the launch and iteration tempo increases dramatically, SpaceX can make it, manned, to the Moon by itself in a year or two (especially if they avoid that whole silly Lunar Gateway and using the Orion to take crew to said LG and then tranship to the HLS and then to the Moon and then back to the LG and then to Orion and back to Earth, seriously, cut out all of that extraneous bullscat and go from Earth to the Moon in the HLS and then back,) and to Mars in four unmanned and maybe manned if iterations and development go quickly under the new streamlined NASA unburdened by the SLS and Lunar Gateway and Orion and all the other legacy bullscat.
Good point regarding unmanned, they can stage things so its sequential arrivals, "timing is everything"
DeleteMaybe the desired optimal goal is simply too ambitious. Then I think, its a question of scale, it seems. Exactly how many people are to arrive near all together in the current plan called for by the ideal set-up for a two orbital window cycle?
ReplyDeleteWithout knowing that population, if the proposed scale of "populating mars" is not attainable they all may have no choice but to scale back to a minimalist/realistic goal? In other-words, what is the bare minimum set of hands can they do with to get a base up and running, then spread the increase over a farther timeline.
And, there is always remote monitoring/manipulation of autonomous and semi autonomous equipment, robotics, plant, etc, maybe they can simplify somewhat thru doing as much as possible remotely, with minimal people on Mar's dirt, then pressure to get at least a part of the required things more humans to the back burner so to say, then its more easy and sensible to spread out the timeline. Just giving it a think.
The largest problem preventing SpaceX / NASA / the US from getting to Mars is Elon Musk spending his time in Washinton DC. The Mars problems might be solvable but Musk's time is finite.
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