Saturday, August 3, 2024

Small Space News Story Roundup 39

A few short stories that caught my eye. 

Looks like NASA may be giving up on Starliner 

This is a story that merits a hat tip to Larry at Virtual Mirage who posted a link to a story from Ars Technica called  “NASA says it is “evaluating all options” for the Safe Return of Starliner crew.” I missed it yesterday due to watching the storm prep for the weekend I posted about. 

Short version: it's not guaranteed it's going to be a SpaceX Crew Dragon rescue, but doesn't seem smart to bet against that. The article is just full of clues.  Here's a few quotes trimmed back to what seems to be the meat:

One informed source said it was greater than a 50-50 chance that the crew would come back on Dragon. Another source said it was significantly more likely than not they would. To be clear, NASA has not made a final decision. This probably will not happen until at least next week. It is likely that Jim Free, NASA's associate administrator, will make the call.
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A Flight Readiness Review meeting had been scheduled for today, August 1, several days in advance. However, it was canceled. Instead, NASA put out a vague blog update on Thursday...
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NASA issued a $266,678 task award to SpaceX on July 14 for a "special study for emergency response." NASA said this study was not directly related to Starliner's problems, but two sources told Ars it really was.
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SpaceX has been actively working on a scenario in which two or four astronauts launch on board Crew 9. (A normal crew is four) This mission has a nominal launch date of August 18, but it could well be delayed. SpaceX has already identified flight suits that would fit Wilmore and Williams, allowing them to fly home on the Crew-8 spacecraft (presently docked to the space station) or the Crew-9 vehicle.

I've had this picture since I grabbed it back in mid-June to demonstrate how I'll watch Starliner returning. 


I'll be looking just like this. With the exception of this being a young woman who's over 40 years younger and a billion times better looking than I am. Because I care about you readers in my "old man" demographic.

I commented to LL over at his blog (after reiterating some things talked about here in the last month):

I know a pair of test pilots would never say this, but the best thing to do with that Starliner is let it re-enter unmanned. If it burns up in the atmosphere, hopefully, they’ll get data. If it doesn’t burn up, the chances of getting important data go up.

A couple of European companies pushing reusable rockets are facing delays

From this week's Rocket Report, also from Ars Technica

The French space agency, the CNES, has been working toward a test flight of a reusable rocket called Callisto. That was supposed to be "by the end of '24" but now looks to be by the end of '25. Or early '26.  

The Callisto rocket is designed to test techniques and technologies required for reusable rockets, such as vertical takeoff and vertical landing, with suborbital flights from the Guiana Space Center in South America.

Callisto, which stands for Cooperative Action Leading to Launcher Innovation in Stage Toss-back Operations, is a joint project between CNES, German space agency DLR, and JAXA, the Japanese space agency. It will stand 14 meters (46 feet) tall and weigh about 4 metric tons (8,800 pounds), with an engine supplied by Japan. Callisto is one of several test projects in Europe aiming to pave the way for a future reusable rocket.

The Themis project, funded by the European Space Agency - the "big guys" in European rockets - is similar in purpose to the Callisto testbed and I've been seeing stories about Themis since 2019. At that time, talk was that first flights wouldn't be until '28. 

This week, the German aerospace manufacturing company MT Aerospace announced it has begun testing a demonstrator of the landing legs that will be used aboard the Themis reusable booster, European Spaceflight reports. The landing legs for Themis are made of carbon fiber-reinforced plastic composites, and the initial test demonstrated good deployment and showed it would withstand the impact energy of landing.

Also delayed ... Like Callisto, Themis is facing delays in getting to the launch pad. ArianeGroup, the ESA-selected Themis prime contractor, had been expected to conduct an initial hop test of the demonstrator before the end of 2024. However, officials have announced the initial hop tests won't happen until sometime next year. The Themis booster is intended to eventually become the first stage booster for an orbital-class partially reusable rocket being developed by MaiaSpace, a subsidiary of ArianeGroup.

The early news on Themis was pretty remarkable from my standpoint because it looked pretty much like a copy of a Falcon 9. To be fair, the Europeans weren't shy about saying they're copying SpaceX.  Everybody's doing it.  

During a presentation last year, the head of the French space agency's launch vehicle program, Jean Marc-Astorg, was asked about the similarities. As part of its development program, Ariane and CNES are also planning a "Callisto" hopper vehicle that is similar the Grasshopper test vehicle SpaceX flew in 2012 and 2013 to demonstrate vertical landing capabilities.

"Callisto is Grasshopper," Astorg said at the time. "The Chinese are also building a similar prototype, I have no problem saying we didn’t invent anything."

Imagine taking a major airliner, like an A380 or a B747, flying it once and throwing it out. Can you imagine wasting that much money?  There would be no air travel.  Not doing reusability smacks of being the kind of thing only a government would do. Maybe do it for the first few steps into space, but 60 years later? It was as recently as 2018 when an ESA representative openly said, 

Truthfully, if Europe ever did develop a reusable rocket, one that could fly all the missions in a year, this would be unhelpful politically. What would the engine and booster factories sprinkled across Europe do if they built one rocket and then had 11 months off? The member states value the jobs too much. This is one difference between rocket-by-government and rocket-by-billionaire programs.

Instead of his "rocket by government," it's helpful to substitute the phrase "morons with money" for the word government.



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  2. The first Ars article popped up on my feed. So I read it and about 100 comments.

    My take is they will not be returning Sunni and Butch on Starliner. They are loathe to admit that. Consider that every day longer is a day of probability of using Stayliner goes lower. If it was viable, they'd already have returned. Testing has only been to gather data before the return. To gather data for future missions, NOT for the purpose of returning the astronauts. Remember, they launched with known defects. And that launch was only after delays over concerns about the defects. So, the launch segment of the mission was accomplished.

    August 18th is the absolute deadline to shove Stayliner off ISS. Likely they will not wait until then. Crew 8 or 9 are in play

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  3. Man, I called it. Way back when. What do you bet that SpaceX can build adaptors to Dragon life support for the suits being used by the Starliner crew for far less than $280 thousand?

    As to how I'll watch Starliner, I'll watch it like I've watched all the non-SpaceX launches and other activity. Wait till it's totally over one way or another and then go look up how successful the event was. And then dig into it if I wish.

    Still smarting, somewhat, from watching Challenger blow up and the Cape cameras showing pieces parts falling for what seemed like at least half an hour.

    I'll watch the first Crewed Starship the same way.

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  4. As to the ESA jerk, funny that if you make your rocket reusable and inexpensive, you can support the manufacture of more than one stupid rocket a year, support the refurbishment systems, and support, you know, much more than one launch a year.

    Dumbasses.

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  5. The guy at NASA who declares it's safe to ride back to earth in Starliner will be offered a seat on a crew Dragon up to the ISS and can take Suni's place for the return trip.

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  6. I neglected to add that the testing the nozzles was to determine the probability to splash Stayliner in a safe zone and as much as possible in one piece.

    As bad as this all is, not being able to contain the debris field will be a greater PR disaster. The photos of a stream of parts streaking across the skies would be horrendous for Boing and NASA. It would be so bad the perhaps Space X, ULA and others would not be unscathed PR speaking.

    Yes, even in the nether parts of the seas, there is someone with a camera.

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    1. I hadn't thought of that. If it's too unsafe for crew then it's probably too safe to reentry over land...

      Or at least that's what the lawyers would argue if there was damage or injury in New Mexico.

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    1. Unsafe At Any Speed. Oh, that title was already taken for a lying book by Ralph Nader.

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  8. That bureaucrat shows the biggest problem with many government programs - no matter what the official subject, they are really a jobs program.
    THAT is what makes for high costs and slow (if any) progress.
    Jonathan

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    1. Really a jobs program for the congressional critters who authorize them. They do it to get jobs into their districts, along the way, they get kickbacks for their campaign funds.

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  9. Unmanned "reentry" has happened before, but who will want to fly in it again if it's retrieved?

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    1. A start-up, perhaps?
      Say, Boeing realizes the Starliner is a liability. They agree to sell at fire sale pricing the rocket and all associated hardware. Further, transfer of proprietary information is licensed to said start-up.
      Boeing also agreed that said start-up is free to redesign certain systems. Which systems, which designs is solely decided by the start-up.

      Boeing offloads the Starliner, a start-up gets an existing rocket. By careful design they become a player and at a low cost entry.

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    2. The only drawback to that is there's no rocket. Starliner is just the capsule. It got lifted by an Atlas V, with the long term plan (probably never going to happen) of switching to ULA's new baby, the Vulcan.

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  10. So what bright fsking spark decided to not use the existing NASA-spec connectors to get life support to the suits? The crew should be able to wear whatever suit they have and still connect in. Yes, this is pretty much the first time we've had multiple launch systems, capsules, and space suit designs but having a proprietary connector makes no sense at all..

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