Monday, July 22, 2024

A Last Look at Apollo 11 and 55 Years Ago

Not exactly a look at Apollo 11 itself, but rather the Apollo program. 

One of the things I don't understand at all is the lunar landing deniers; it's such a stupid thing to wrap one's belief system up in.  I understand that with big conspiracy theories like this, there's simply no way to disprove them.  There's no piece of evidence we could show a true believer that would have them say, "Gosh! You're right!  We did go!" For the last 30 years, I believe it has polled consistently that 6% of the population believes we never went.  There's another group who just claims they're not sure. 

When I worked for Major Southeast Defense Contractor, there was a graybeard Mechanical Engineer whom I became friends with. His first job out of college was with Grumman Aerospace doing support for the Lunar Modules. He talked about being called into a Tiger Team to solve an issue on Apollo 14 because one of the astronauts had tripped over a cable, pulling it out of one of the science packages. For some of you, if I say Mil-38999 connectors, you'll get a visceral nausea at the thought of rewiring and crimping the pins on one of them. In 1/6 G wearing gloves with fingers as wide as small Caribbean islands. They told the 14 crew to abandon it. If you look up how many people worked on the program, sources will say over 400,000 people in 20,000 companies worked on the Apollo program. My friend was just one.

There's so much evidence that a landing denier has to make it a life goal to not see it and truly examine it. Fast Company magazine (of all places) ran a story back in July of 2019 with just a few of the reasons why it's such a silly idea. He starts out philosophically, a really good place to my way of thinking by asking how do we know anything? To borrow a few sentences: 

It’s a little like asking how we know there was a Revolutionary War. Where’s the evidence? Maybe it’s just made up by the current government to force us to think about America in a particular way.

How do we know there was a Titanic that sank?

And by the way, when I go to the battlefields at Gettysburg—or at Normandy, for that matter—they don’t look much like battlefields to me. Can you prove we fought a Civil War? World War II?

In my first iteration of college, I had to take a "mandatory elective" in the Philosophy of Science and questions like this were the entire class. Let's say you went to bed one night, and by the morning, everything in the universe had doubled in size. How would you know? People in class would inevitably talk about measuring things, but if the rulers and every length standard had doubled in size, too, the measurements would say the same things. How could you know? It's not possible to derive a way to prove the entire universe didn't spring into existence, just the way it is mere moments ago, with our memories and experiences fully formed the way they are.

This applies to everything. How do we know that things we observe in other galaxies are the way we say they are? We assume that the laws of physics are the same everywhere in the universe, but that's just an assumption because we can't get there to check. Without those assumptions there's precious little we can say about the things we observe, and we like to be able to think we really understand everything we see. 

The thing to remember about the space race was that it was a race.  Remember there was a Soviet Union, who entered the 60s well in front of the US space efforts, and who had the capability to monitor things on the moon as well as we could.  Don't forget they wanted to win that race. If they had any indications that the missions to the moon were faked, don't they think the Soviets would have made it known?  They would have pounced on and revealed any fraud in the blink of an eye, and not just without hesitation, but with great joy and satisfaction. 

In fact, the Russians did just the opposite. The Soviet Union was one of the few places on Earth (along with China, and North Korea) where ordinary people couldn’t watch the landing of Apollo 11 and the Moon walk in real time. It was real enough for the Russians that they didn’t let their own people see it.

Books could be written on why the Soviets didn't make it to the moon; the story I think has the most weight (and I haven't been able to find it lately) is that some of the brightest minds in their space program were killed in a pad disaster that took out the launch structures and those scientists/engineers.  They never recovered from that loss, but they continued the race.  Not everyone recalls that at the time 11's LM landed on the moon, there was a Soviet probe on the surface (Luna 15) - a mission that was supposed to show the world "we can return moon rocks to earth for study without sending humans".  The mission failed. 

With the latest generation of satellites prospecting the moon, we can see the landers and marks on the surface.  These are from later missions, but can we assume that if they faked 11 they would have faked them all?

Apollo 14's landing site.  The dark lines between the descent stage  and the ALSEP are footprints.  (ALSEP = Apollo Lunar Science Exploration Package) 


Apollo 17's site.

Of all the arguments that we regularly read from lunar landing deniers, one has an element of truth to it.  They say the Van Allen radiation belts would have fried the astronauts. Saying "fried" is wrong by orders of magnitude, but there is a measurable effect.  It turns out the astronauts who went through the belts to the moon had a significantly higher rate of cardiovascular disease than astronauts who never went to orbit or those who only went to low earth orbit.     

The primary purpose of this study was to determine whether mortality rates due to cardiovascular disease (CVD), cancer, accidents and all other causes of death differ in (1) astronauts who never flew orbital missions in space, (2) astronauts who flew only in low Earth orbit (LEO), and (3) Apollo lunar astronauts, the only humans to have traveled beyond Earth’s magnetosphere. Results show there were no differences in CVD mortality rate between non-flight (9%) and LEO (11%) astronauts. However, the CVD mortality rate among Apollo lunar astronauts (43%) was 4–5 times higher than in non-flight and LEO astronauts.

The looming issue here is that they can't conclusively say it was the Van Allen belts, just that it was something to do with leaving Earth's protective magnetosphere, but they only left the magnetosphere briefly; Apollo 11 was four to five days (I'm guessing here) but other missions were longer.   That brings more concern to a Mars mission, as well as doing work on the moon.   

You'll note I haven't said a word about the frequent complaints I've seen from landing deniers, about the photography. Not seeing stars; seeing land that isn't as perfectly smooth and straight as they seem to expect it to be.  Anybody who learned photography in the film days knows how empty those arguments are the minute they hear them. If you think that the stars should be visible with the foreground as brightly lit as peak afternoon sun on a beach, you don't understand the first thing about the brightness ranges films can handle. I've honestly never seen a single argument about a photograph that has stood up to casual knowledge of film photography.

With current technology mission plans, called "boost and coast", a Martian trip is a long undertaking.  Mars and Earth reach opposition (closest point) roughly every two years (it varies).  Launched around then a trip to mars then takes about seven months.  After that, as Earth continues to advance ahead of Mars, the return trip takes longer.  A quick stay on Mars turns into seven months to get there and ten months to a year coming back.  If one is going to travel for 18 months, a year and a half, it makes a reasonable argument to stay longer.  Seven months to Mars, then explore 16 months until Earth is approaching for the return trip to get shorter?  

A potential solution is nuclear powered spacecraft.  I've been talking about this for years, but a nuclear powered engine can accelerate half the way there and decelerate half the way.  There are designs for engines that "burn" low yield atomic explosions - impulse power - for thrust.  Some designs that have been investigated would allow 60 day trips to Mars instead of seven months.  By now everyone has heard of the bone loss, edema and other problems astronauts on the ISS face.  Those can be solved by artificial gravity on the spacecraft, like the science fiction books used to say.  Yes, it will make the spacecraft heavier and the mission more expensive.   Nobody ever suggested there was anything remotely easy about it.  Judging by reading what Elon Musk seems to think an exploratory trip to Mars requires and the many Starship cargo loads he's talking about, I think Elon gets it. We're in good hands. 



8 comments:

  1. And there's now a whole new movie about faking the moon landings. So the stupidity is going to ramp up even more.

    As to nuke propulsion, it's what we need in space. Conventional rocket fuel is too mass intense, too volatile (as in has to be kept cold or it boils away.) We can cut down transit time to the Moon by being able to constant boost halfway there, rotate, constant retro-boost to slow down. I think I remember reading that NASA said the transit time from constant boost would be 1 day or so using NERVA that was being developed in the 60's. (yes, still needs some reaction mass, but overall much faster, and reaction mass can be recovered from the Moon.)

    As to big ships with artificial gravity, so? Yes, expensive, but just look at how much each ship can carry. And the expensive ship is a 'space airplane' fiscally, build it once, use it many times. Make it modular and you can swap out old less efficient parts for more efficient modules. One big expensive ship travelling 60-90 days each way would more than pay for itself. A bunch with one outfitting or refitting at Home Port, one loading, one boosting to 'there,' one unloading there, one loading there, one boosting back from there, one unloading... A minimum of 7, with 1-2 stripped down as personnel only 'rescue' vessels, 1 for spare.. 10 ships. 7-8 in constant use, 1-2 ready for emergencies and you have regular service to and from Mars.

    Make the cargo modules removable and you can even boost cargo 'shuttles' and disconnect the cab/propulsion system from the module, tug module into position, connect cab/propulsion unit to a returning module, drop and land.

    Time, past time to go all 'sci-fi' for space travel.

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    1. Beans, you just made an argument for not deorbiting ISS. :)

      SiG, surely you are familiar with apologetics. Apollo apologetics. Heh heh

      Such philosophy classes thrive on such questions. The infinitely open end questions. Drove me batty. I argued for conclusion. I did very well in philosophy. Its where I polished my ability to BS. And the professors bought it!

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  2. Do you not understand what the watermelons have done every time "nuclear" is used as a term for a space mission? What makes you think they will disappear?
    Or be disregarded?

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  3. "You cannot use facts, logic, and common sense to argue someone out of a position he never used facts, logic, and common sense to get himself into."

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  4. Appreciate you SGB, you posted an excellent series, well done and Bravo!
    It sure is a lot of fun reminiscing this history events, and people surrounding this fantastic endeavor. Thanks so much! For the memories also. Well done man.

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  5. Kind of difficult to fake somebody like Neil Armstrong. The guy is simply a true to life humble hero, and thats not just to apply it to his Astronaut carreer. Similar with Buzz Aldrin. I read a great story regarding his work involving orbital mechanics. It appears he single handedly, and took it upon himself to do so, to figure out theories for calculating how to guide spacecraft thru the complex gravity effects of earth/moon system. It was a gigantic accomplishment. And the guy did so while also preparing to go to the moon. Its stuff you simply can not make up. I mean how could you fake such things? Its like a dairy or journal, its self legitimizing. You can not fake it.

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  6. > There's no piece of evidence we could show a true believer that would have them say, "Gosh! You're right! We did go!"

    faith: firm belief in something for which there is no proof

    Moon landing denial is a religious faith. By definition, there is no way to examine the universe to determine which if any of the faith-beliefs are true. All faiths are irrational. People believe them, but by definition they have no reason to believe them.

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    1. False.
      But I'm sure you take comfort in that bit of solipsistic nonsense.

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