Saturday, March 29, 2025

Crew-9 Commander who gave up seat for Starliner crew gets next Mission

Last August, NASA decided the way to deal with Starliner's issues was to fly the capsule back down autonomously without its crew of Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams.  They would then come back by cutting the crew coming up on the Crew-9 mission down to two astronauts so that there would be two seats for Butch and Suni to return in after working as the other half of Crew-9. 

The two astronauts who were cut from the original Crew-9 mission were Commander Zena Cardman and mission specialist Stephanie Wilson.  It was announced yesterday, Friday 3/28, that Zena Cardman would be assigned as the commander for Crew-11 which is targeting this coming July to replace the current Crew-10.  So far, NASA has not announced whether Stephanie Wilson has been assigned to a new mission and if so, which one.

NASA’s SpaceX Crew-11 members stand inside the Space Vehicle Mockup Facility at the agency’s Johnson Space Center in Houston on Nov. 13, 2024. From left are Mission Specialist Kimiya Yui from JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency), Commander NASA astronaut Zena Cardman, Mission Specialist Oleg Platonov of Roscosmos, and Pilot NASA astronaut Mike Fincke. Image: NASA/Josh Valcarcel

You'll note in the caption (copied from SpaceflightNow) that the photo is dated from last November 13, 2024, and I can see that the digital photo's file is dated Nov. 13.  I take that to mean the decision to put Cardman into the Commander's role was made by then.  

These four will be on the space station when the ISS marks the 25th anniversary of continuous human presence on the orbiting outpost. Expedition 1 docked to the station on Nov. 2, 2000.
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Crew-11 will be the first spaceflight for both Cardman and Platonov, who were selected by their respective space agencies in 2017 and 2018.

When you remember that these shifts all originated because of the problems with Starliner, it's a reminder that the Starliner program is deeply troubled.  NASA is still working out the testing that it would take for them to be comfortable with certifying Starliner.  The agency recently posted to one of their blogs that while progress is being made, the “major in-flight propulsion system anomalies” seen during last summer's flight still remain as outstanding items and likely will until “further into 2025, pending the outcome of various ground test campaigns and potential system upgrades.” 

A new testing campaign is being planned for the spring and summer, which will take place at the White Sands Test Facility in New Mexico. That’s the site where Boeing and NASA attempted to troubleshoot the propulsion issues during the Starliner mission as they debated whether it was safe to return with crew.

“Testing at White Sands Test Facility in New Mexico will include integrated firing of key Starliner thrusters within a single service module doghouse to validate detailed thermal models and inform potential propulsion and spacecraft thermal protection system upgrades, as well as operational solutions for future flights,” NASA said. “These solutions include adding thermal barriers within the doghouse to better regulate temperatures and changing the thruster pulse profiles in flight to prevent overheating.

“Meanwhile, teams are continuing testing of new helium system seal options to mitigate the risk of future leaks.”

Add to that relatively optimistic-sounding summary that the next Starliner test flight isn't defined yet and probably can't be defined until all the work is done, tested as well as it can be tested without being in space, and a major step will be deciding if it's worth testing with a crew.  I can easily see a test flight not being possible until well into 2026.  Does the ISS last until 2030 as now being talked about, or does it need to be de-orbited more in keeping with Elon Musk's suggestion of 2027?  If it's that date, Boeing may never fly a fully operational Starliner mission before the demise of the ISS.



12 comments:

  1. Regarding the future loss of the ISS, though it may soonish be gone, there will be other stations floating around, and all of them will be using the standard ISS compatable docking system.

    So there is a chance that Starliner, once it gets all the kinks out, may be possibly be used for crew transport to the new stations. If the price isn't too ridiculously expensive. After all, there are always those people who don't want to use SpaceX products.

    As to the new crew announcements, with all the veteran talent, why are they selecting an unflown astronaut as capsule commander? Yes, I understand why that happened back in the early days of spaceflight, but there are enough 'commander' level veterans out there you'd think they would choose from that pool.

    And Dragon was originally designed to carry up to seven people. It would have been neat if the two Stayliner astronauts had hitched a ride with a full 4-crewed capsule.

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    1. "As to the new crew announcements, with all the veteran talent, why are they selecting an unflown astronaut as capsule commander?"

      As always, it's hard to know. Since I first read anything, I thought Cardman had an unusual background for someone to be made commander without having ever flown. Which seems to be unusual by itself. It should go without saying that I don't know anything about her or how she performs on the different tests, if the rest of the astronauts avoid having to work with her or anything like that.

      A 36-year-old geobiologist, Cardman joined NASA in 2017 and is well-regarded by her peers. The assignment of a rookie, non-test pilot to command the Crew-9 mission reflected NASA's confidence in the self-flying capabilities of Dragon, which is intended to reach the station autonomously. The assignment was made by then-chief astronaut Reid Wiseman in 2022, and the Astronaut Office was confident that Cardman, with an experienced hand in Hague at her side, could command the mission.
      From last August 30 when the mission was being changed.

      I don't know if you noticed it, but there's a story that NASA was told to remove the Artemis tag line about putting, "the first woman and the first person of color on the moon." And saying (in so many words) "but we're going to do that anyway."

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    2. Yeah, how to say "We're still doing DEI without actually saying we're still doing DEI."

      Otherwise known as "How to piss off the White House and the soon-to-be-installed new NASA administrator."

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  2. What is the point of a capsule commander if they can fly without one?

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    1. It's gotta be a Navy thing... ;P

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    2. It's not a bad thing to have the ability to override the autopilot and manually pilot the capsule in case of emergency.

      The non-auto pilot thing goes all the way back to Project Mercury. And the astronauts' refusal to fly without the ability to manually control said Mercury capsule. And it was necessary a couple times.

      But naming someone as Commander who hasn't commanded a command or even flown a decent number of hours? Smells fishy to me.

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  3. Well, if Starliner never flies again, that's a GOOD THING, right? Right !

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  4. ISS will be dead and buried at sea before Starliner sees the black of space again. But, as you say, there will be other stations. The docking port design will be the longest living legacy of the ISS, I think. In 500 years, it will be used as a doggy door for the habitats wandering among the asteroids.

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  5. Why is Boeing/NASA bothering? It's not like the thing would fly more than once or twice. Or is it just cost plus in action?

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    1. It's potentially more than once or twice, but I think they've lost so much money already that trying to get Starliner fixed now is for Boeing to prove to themselves they can still get it done.

      Figure ISS deorbits in 2030 - five years. With a crew rotation every six months, there's potentially five flights for Starliner and take away one per year until they're certified. With Crew-10 having already flown this year, and this article about Crew-11 also flying a SpaceX Dragon, we're down to five years for Starliner at the most, if they could get in one flight per year in '26, '27, '28, '29, and '30. If something happens and ISS gets brought down sooner... well, you know.

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    2. According to a March 29th article on the FutureSim website, Steve Stich predicts Starliner to fly this current calendar year or early next year.
      The solving of 'flight anomalies' and further propulsion tests come first.
      Boeing will pay for all further testing plus any flights to come.

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