It has been a bit of a whirlwind couple of days since my last post, but the tree is in place, the shopping is essentially completed, we're completely ready for the holiday break, and even got the boat out this morning for a few hours of fishing (you will note I said "fishing", not "catching"; or as the French say, cherchez le poissons). It was around 45 degrees or so when we put the boat in the water, but warmed up to about 65 by the time we came back in. Winds were almost dead calm; the sky was cloudless and a fantastic shade of blue.
So while burning some fuel in the outboard, it gave me some time to think about the price of oil. Naturally, regular gas at under $2.50/gallon, as I paid yesterday, makes it a lot easier to live with a boat than when it was around $4/gallon, but what is going on with oil? Is this going to suddenly reverse? Is it going lower than $50? Brent Crude oil from Stockcharts.com:
While it's impossible for us to truly know what's going on, there has been reporting that Russia is driving this effort along with their proxies in the Mideast. Others have said it's being led mainly by Saudi Arabia. Either way, the theory goes that the goal is to get America out of the oil market, so that they can get prices back up. This idea is supported by some of the things Russia is doing where they can to shut down energy production. With oil at close to half of what Russia and Saudia Arabia need, that's quite the game of chicken. "Let's you and me bleed ourselves to death, and I bet I'll stay in the game longer than you do".
I think there can be a bigger game going on here, though. The principal power in OPEC is the Saudis. The Saudis have no use for the Iranians and are frankly terrified of a nuclear Iran. You can bet your butt that if Iran goes nuclear, the Saudis will go nuclear as well. For a country that nominally hates Israel, they've quietly agreed to allow Israel to over fly Saudi territory if needed to attack Iran ("the enemy of my enemy is my friend" in action?). They also want Assad out of Syria and Russia is propping up both Iran and Syria. I think it's entirely possible that Saudi Arabia could be playing the game to get Putin out of the area, and try to collapse the governments of both Iran and Syria. Russia's economy is already showing signs of trouble. If they collapse Putin himself, get him ousted by ballot, by revolt or worse, I think the Kingdom would view that as a good thing. I also can't imagine the Saudis would be too upset if they found a price for oil that shut down American shale oil production.
So I think the falling price of oil could well be the result of the Saudis pressing it down all by themselves. I can see Russia and Saudi Arabia working together to hurt us, but I think the Saudis have a stronger interest in collapsing the Iranian government and if it hurts Russia, well, that's just a bonus.
I just wonder how much longer this will go on, and how much further the price will drop.ReplyDelete
It might shut down some US production methods, BUT the money to get them in place and started has already been spent, and I'm betting they could be turned back on with relative ease.
Production is the easy part. Its drilling exploratory holes and completing wells, along with running the pipelines to get the stuff to a refinery or train depot that is the hard/expensive part.ReplyDelete
Production will not likely be curtailed, new exploration will.
Of course between this and precious metals...it could be general deflation (i.e. QE failing finally).ReplyDelete
Major shifts usually hit commodities before they hit the stock market.
Fun flies when you're doing time.ReplyDelete
What is going on is a dramatic drop in demand, mostly a result of the dramatic increase in oil prices over the last 6 years. Couple this with an increase in production, mostly thanks to fracking. And last the oil cartel choose to instead of reducing production they maintained production. The latter may well be intended to break the back of the fracking advantage or it may be purely political to hurt Russia. Whatever the reasons it will not last. However it is impossible to know if that means three months or three years.
Michael Braier - good point and I meant to add that if they're trying to take out US oil production they need to drive prices down to around $50/bbl and keep them there for years. Even then, the Genie is out of the bottle and we know how to recover that oil once it becomes cost effective.ReplyDelete
Long term, it's an endurance test to see who can live with the low prices longer.
And, of course, what Taylor said. QE can't work over a long term and we may well be seeing it breaking down.
It would be interesting perhaps to chart crude prices along with averageReplyDelete
pricing for gas & heating fuel. I'm not sure there is much of a correlation except upward.
My understanding is that Saudi increased production, cutting price for USA and raising elsewhere, at least initially. Lower cost to USA = domestic production ROI goes negative, any project financed through loans will likely go belly up long term (pump 'n dump, banks end up owning all); and of course Russia is negatively impacted, along with the EU - in winter too!
Oh yeah - diesel here is a $1.01 premium over regular.ReplyDelete
Not sure how that can be.
Itor - outrageous! Gosh, I remember people getting diesel cars because it was cheaper than regular.ReplyDelete
Up until I bought my used Exploder back in '12, I had a car that took premium gas. At least around here, when regular was X, mid-grade was 10 cents more than regular and premium was 20 cents more.
I noticed the other day that the spread has gone up 45 cents and some places it goes up even more.