Tuesday, February 18, 2025

How is NASA Facing the DOGE Days?

Eric Berger at Ars Technica has a headline today that caught my eye: "By the end of today, NASA’s workforce will be about 10 percent smaller" - subtitled "A dark and painful day at a space agency that brings so much light and joy to the world."  As is generally the case, Berger presents the facts in a balanced view of the situation.  

For openers, he quotes a number from NASA itself that between the headquarters its 10 field centers, the agency employs "nearly 18,000 civil servants."  Then he goes on to say:

However, by the end of today, that number will have shrunk by about 10 percent since the beginning of the second Trump administration four weeks ago. And the world's preeminent space agency may still face significant additional cuts.

There's no update to the source article on ARS, which they often do, nor do I see any news about this on a few of the NASA sites I visit regularly or NASASpaceflight dot com, so I assume there were no announcements about a layoff or Reduction In Force today.  Still, all that means is that maybe instead of "by the end of today..." it could have been "by the end of this week."

Berger addresses what seems to be a natural question: how many people leave NASA in a typical year, and says that number is around one thousand.  He says his sources tell him 750 people have taken the eight month severance pay layoff, which is a sizeable chunk of that 1,000.  A 10% RIF of 18,000 people, or 1800, is only slightly bigger than that 750 added to the 1000 per year, but I don't assume those are two different groups and that there might be sizeable overlap between the 750 the typical 1000 resignations per year.  

The culling of "probationary" employees will be more impactful. As it has done at other federal agencies, the Trump administration is generally firing federal employees who are in the "probationary" period of their employment, which includes new hires within the last one or two years or long-time employees who have moved into or been promoted into a new position. About 1,000 or slightly more employees at NASA were impacted by these cuts.
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However, the cuts may not stop there. Two sources told Ars that directors at the agency's field centers have been told to prepare options for a "significant" reduction in force in the coming months. The scope of these cuts has not been defined, and it's possible they may not even happen, given that the White House must negotiate budgets for NASA and other agencies with the US Congress. But this directive for further reductions in force casts more uncertainty on an already demoralized workforce and signals that the Trump administration would like to make further cuts.

I think all of us who have worked in industry have been through layoffs, widespread (like in the 1980s) or just in a company that got into troubles of their own doing.  Layoffs suck.  Are the cuts necessary? 

It is also clear that, as within other federal agencies, there is significant "bloat" in NASA's budget. In some areas, this is plain to see, with the space agency having spent in excess of $3 billion a year over the last decade "developing" a heavy lift rocket, the Space Launch System, which used components from the Space Shuttle and costs an extraordinary amount of money to fly. In the meantime, the private launch industry has been running circles around NASA. Similarly, consider the Orion spacecraft. This program is now two decades old, at a cost of $1 billion a year, and the vehicle has never flown humans into space.

One could go on. Much of the space community has been puzzled as to why NASA has been spending on the order of half a billion dollars to develop a Lunar Gateway in an odd orbit around the Moon. It remains years away from launching, and if it ever does fly, it would increase the energy needed to reach the surface of the Moon. The reason, according to multiple sources at the agency when the Gateway was conceived, is that the lunar space station would offer jobs to the current flight controllers operating the International Space Station, which is due to retire in 2030.

Part of what DOGE has been all about is looking at things that seem to only exist to funnel money between politicians and contractors. "Create jobs" with cost-plus contracts, like the SLS he talks about. An even worse example is the Lunar Gateway Berger mentions.  Created to keep the jobs for the current ISS flight controllers it becomes obsolete the minute Starship's Human Landing System version becomes operational.  It’s not entirely clear, but NASA reportedly wanted to land just 400 lb of cargo, while the crewed Starship is probably capable of landing tons of cargo in addition to several astronauts. Why do they need the Gateway to stage people and cargo if the HLS can carry it all?

In recent years, NASA has been in the midst of a difficult transition. The agency deserves a lot of credit for nurturing a commercial space industry that now is the envy of the world. But as part of this, NASA has been moving away from owning and operating its rockets, spacecraft, and other hardware and buying services from this commercial space industry. This transition from traditional space to commercial space marks an important step for NASA to remain on the cutting edge of exploration and science rather than trying to compete with US industry.

What was a bit shocking to me - although it shouldn't have been - was reading some of the comments.  I didn't read many, maybe only a dozen out of the nearly 400 a little while ago, but the TDS and the Elon Derangement Syndrome were stunning.  The comments were either hatred of those two in particular, hatred of "rich people" in general, pro-union or pro-communist. 

The old saying about every comment taking away an IQ point sure seemed to be applicable there.

NASA’s OSIRIS-REx spacecraft collects a sample from the asteroid Bennu. NASA's superpower is its capacity to dazzle us. Credit: NASA/Goddard/University of Arizona



19 comments:

  1. Gee, people today think a 10% RIF of NASA is sooo horrible? They should have been in Brevard County back in the early 70's where enough people were let go that it collapsed the economy of the county. An economy that didn't really recover until the 1990s. Destroyed a lot of small companies. Destroyed a lot of mid-sized companies. Heck, destroyed a lot of large companies. Did any of the Dems bitch and moan about that? Nope.

    As to Lunar Starship, see my comments a couple days ago. Starship HLS completely circumvents any need for Orion, the SLS, the Lunar Gateway, the BO lander. One HLS can potentially carry to the surface of the Moon about 100 tons of cargo and at least 15 people. Heck, Lunar Starship could toss out a 50 ton surveillance module and science station to orbit the Moon and still probably deliver 40 tons and over a double handful of people to the Moon.

    Too many people, including Bezos, have seen the whole Artemis thingy as a government cash teat. Thing about teats, eventually the milk runs out, either from the cash cow drying up or the cash cow dying.

    NASA's work process has been described as 'do a 5 year study to fund a 10 year study to fix a problem 20 years after that won't be a problem by the time the 5 year study is done.'

    Heck, even the fun-but-scientifically-inaccurate "Armageddon" points out that NASA has a whole lotta people when the character played by Billy Bob Thorton says to his aide to wake up 10,000 people right now to start working the problem.

    And I know people who have worked at NASA. And they all say there's whole rooms of people whose only purpose seemed/s to be to say "NO!!!!!"

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    1. I don't get all the lyrics, but I liked it. I need a Casey Kasem word salad-style review for it.

      Nah.

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    2. Hey, I grew up in the 60s and 70s, you ain't supposed to understand all the lyrics!

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    3. I came to Melbourne from Houston in 1972. Went to Sears to buy new shoes and the guy measuring my feet had a Saturn 5 tie clasp. I was lucky. The Clear Lake City area was just as depressed. But you ought to see the town now....exploding.

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  2. Weeeeell, if Isaacman becomes Head Honcho at NASA I sure hope he puts a stake through SLS. Maybe he can sell it to the Chinee and show 'em what a REAL rocket looks like. Saddle their asses with that giant boondoggle, it'll put 'em back 20 years. At least.

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  6. Certainly they are experts with probes, spectacular understates NASA's achievements. It sure makes a lot of sense to say why not? That they should basically drop a number of operations and center what remains around satellites and probes. Its the connections built over decades with university and corporate institutions, very very valuable working relationships, lot of experience and you could say a kind if tribal engineering community that has generational co-operation with NASA. I'd think that is a rather precious resource worth not just saving but increasing, after all its been consistently something which bears fruit of the most successful way imaginable. A fantastic example is the sample return from an asteroid, landing that tiny return probe on target affter years of travel. Just amazing accomplishment, not to mention all they are learning about how our solar system is structured, and the insights into the very essence of life itself. I mean how do you even measure the brilliance of tech and engineering, orbital mechanics, the incredibly strong reliable robotics and long range coms to pull off such a operation? The understated success kind of says everything about the people involved, so focused, forward orientated, far reaching scope involved, and the collective team effort, that will to succeed is amazing to me.

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  7. Wasn't there an article last year about a NASA department of mining registration and off-planet trade with around a dozen people that sent out a quarterly newsletter as their job?

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  8. As Arstechnica converts to astrology, I hope the wiser readers will be able to join the coffee klatche with SiG. As for the ex NASA employees, think of the thousands if great new companies they will go on to start in their garages. Their immense brains and golden parachutes will gaurantee success. It will be amazing.

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    1. Haven't they already embraced climastrology?

      Same difference.

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    2. "Climastrology"....oh, that is GOOD.

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  9. Here in Huntsville, there is considerable hand-wringing and generally freaking out. IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD - yikes...
    Big if here... if Space Command gets moved here (which, as a rumor, has heated up) then they'll be enough employment for all who are interested, if you lost out when SLS is shut down.

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    1. Interesting about Space Command. I hadn't heard that.

      You might have heard that our governor (Ron DeSantis) had recommended that NASA HQ be moved into Florida, and I think he specifically mentioned on the KSC. I guess we'll find out.

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    2. Might I go out on a limb here? Not to politicize things, just to write down some observations.
      There are rumors of another entity, called the SSF, or Secret Space Force, maybe a kind of secret space navel branch of the NSA(?) or some such secretive organization involved in running massive surveillance from space, (only need to ask, why so many satellites being orbited of late, makes one wonder, its like a gold rush too, nets of sat systems, for something is rather questionable that they are only for connectivity for people. And whose is to say, its not possible establishing this vast constellation of highly advance com sats and such does not constitute a massive say "brain system with vastly faster computational powers, over six thousand SpaceX sats alone, 6000? Does that raise some questions?, kind of like an orbiting AI driven blanket covering every acre of earth, functioning at speed of light frequencies, I know, too science fictiony like conspiracy theory), and other technologies like advanced AI systems. Only read brief mentions of it from the alt-web culture i. the last few years, no hard evidence or references though. In one way it seems plausible if for no other reason, and this is entirely my own conjecture, it stands to reason, the worlds predominate navel force, would naturally gravitate towards at least some form if toe hold in space, possibly, to get ahead of any if so, power projection into human space presence, to establish early its power to control or even rule employing technology and or human military activity.
      Human nature and power, little doubt being what it is thru history, so as Confederate General Jeb Stuart like to state, his success on the battle field could be attributed "to being firstest with the mostest", well why not there exists strategy of being exactly that, for he who establishes such presence off earth, establishes a myriad of "outposts" and technology, "space law" or at least the precedence for what follows domination over other states and entities. For all we know, this last is the reason SpaceX even exists, and what better to control such is a secret space force, its at least a next logical step for at the very least protecting whatever space interests the US develops and has plans for. A lot about the internal workings of SpaceX indeed remain in almost complete shadow, its face front public relations what little of it there is, never ventures into exposing any internal workings, nor its core corporate structure, and it seems to have more than adequate operating funds, capable of sitting on billions invested in R&D. They certainly, appear to run an excellent and technologically spectacular face front if anything.
      Maybe I'm just barking mad up a tree here.

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  10. Just another black hole of corruption and waste agency. DOGE needs to clean their house as much as every other agency.

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  11. Unfortunately, I have found that all the tech sites (Ars, Electrek, Science News, etc.) are in full libtard meltdown. I can understand that tech journalism is mainly staffed by liberals who believe they are smarter than conservatives, but the real "smart conservatives" are out doing real work that involves "math 'n stuff" so they don't bother with taking the time to run websites with actual information.

    Their commenters are worse. Try engaging anyone who spouts a silliness in the comment sections of Teslarati. The mindless group attack on you if you bother to try to add any truth to the conversation is just boggling. I stopped bothering.

    The cultural implosion we are headed for is huge. I hope it doesn't negatively impact our ability to do real science and engineering. But even back when I retired from Boeing in 2013 it was considered "good riddance" because I was a conservative. All the good work I did was meaningless, and the only concern was whether I bought the creeping DEI ideology (I didn't, and didn't apologize for it).

    I don't think the split can be healed any time soon.

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  12. > NASA [...] deserves a lot of credit for nurturing a commercial space industry that now is the envy of the world.

    "Nurturing"? If they got that wrong then why believe anything else in the quote? Funny, I can't seem to find the download link for the CAD models of the updated and easier to manufacture Saturn V engines. After Apollo produced the largest caliber of weapons, ICBMs, NASA switched to doing gun control to prevent any citizens from receiving a 'peace dividend'. Monopolies produce poor service and high prices, and NASA is not exempt. What would probes have done if the NASA budget and monopoly hadn't existed?

    > TDS and the Elon Derangement Syndrome were stunning. The comments were either hatred of those two in particular, hatred of "rich people" in general, pro-union or pro-communist.

    The human genetically-programmed instinctual social-political organization is extended family group communism of about 100 members. These commenters are Non-Player Characters (NPC)s programmed by the mainstream media.

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