We've been cable TV subscribers since around the time we moved here into central Florida in '82. There was broadcast (OTA) TV available, but a few networks and all of the transmitters were far enough away that we were considered fringe or beyond fringe for reception: not very good quality without a fairly serious outside antenna. To get a good picture, and then for the larger variety of choices, we started cable.Our cable provider was bought a series of times and in the course of the last six months that we had cable, our monthly charge had gone up twice. Looking at my old checkbook records, going back to 2010, the cable service and Internet had gone up almost 400%. By last winter, we had finally gotten to the point where we were ready to do things.
How We Got Where We Are
Some initial conversations with friends and folks who sold antennas got us to understand it was entirely possible to get OTA television with a modest outdoor antenna. A few days later, I updated that previous post, when the test results with the small antenna were in.
We get the major networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS, a bunch of shopping channels, a bunch of old TV show/movie channels, and lots more. Far more than we're likely to watch because the reason we started this effort was that we watch two hours a week of TV in a typical week, and we're paying far too much for two hours. The local news is good for "boil water" or "road washed out" news, but I sure don't trust those national networks for news.I concluded that update by saying that we were going to research streaming services and try that approach to complement the OTA. In the intervening year, we've had two streaming services and I'm really not happy with either one.
To start with, you guys know me - a spreadsheet was involved. We had a couple of "must have" channels and a bunch that we also wanted. It turned out the two "must have" (Fox News or One America News and the Outdoor Channel) were the hardest to get while the "nice to have channels" were easy. The hardest to get, by far, is the Outdoor Channel.
When we started this, YouTubeTV had a $35 offer that we signed up with and it stayed that way. You can see that Hulu offered essentially the same lineup as YouTubeTV, although I think that's the price I entered when YouTube was $5 cheaper. YouTube, though, doesn't provide the Outdoor Channel at all. This past fall, when the new season of Gun Stories was starting, we looked into starting a second streaming service with their own service, My Outdoor TV. It's $10/month (25%), which was painful enough, but they didn't start showing the series when it was broadcast on the channel. IIRC, the customer service guys said shows are held six months before they air. If that's right, last October's Season 8 episode 1 should be available in March. If the whole series has to at least six months, then it will be at the end of June.
By comparison, a service called FuboTV advertised as a "sports centric" network was $45/month (what we would have been paying for YouTubeTV and the MyOutdoorTV combination), and a $5 add-on package would include the Outdoor Channel, Sportsman Channel, World Fishing Network, and another three. We switched to FuboTV when my month of YouTubeTV ended in October.
The Good, The Bad, The Ugly
The good part is that the streaming quality of the video we get from both YouTubeTV and Fubo are excellent. I'm told you need a wireless speed of about 20 Meg/second and our system typically holds that with no problems. Our OTA pictures are beautiful, and while we haven't watched the OTA TV as often as the streaming services, it's an excellent backup for hurricane season, should the internet connection be down (which it almost always is). Curiously, we get one streaming channel (Comet - old sci-fi shows) over the air and through our streaming device (Roku) main menu. It was on YouTubeTV, too.
Roku has their own service and more services get added every month if not every week. We have watched a couple of Amazon Prime movies. Yes, we're that one family left in America who does not subscribe to Netflix. OK, that was an exaggeration.
Another good part is that I expected to need to buy a DVR. No need with these particular services. YouTubeTV includes an "infinite DVR". You record any show you want and keep it until you watch it (I think the limit was they kept it for 9 months). Fubo provides 30 hours recording. For OTA broadcasts, I would need something like a TiVo DVR.
The worst of the bad parts is that the user interface could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch, it sucks so bad. With the cable service, if I wanted to see what was on another channel at any time, I could hit the "Guide" button and get an onscreen list of every channel and what was on it. With the streaming services, there is simply no equivalent. If I want to see what else is on, I have to quit the show I'm watching and change to another way of looking at what's on each channel (which doesn't provide the information the cable guide carries), and whether I change channel or go back to the one I was watching it takes 5-10 seconds to change channels. It was faster to change channels back when I had to walk across shag carpeting to turn a knob.
The horrible user interface applies to the DVR features, too. Both YouTubeTV and Fubo do different stupid things to you when want to record a TV series.
A chronic bad part is the difficulty getting the channels we want, especially Outdoor and Sportsman's Channels (they're the same company, after all). Everyone with cable TV gets a version of this problem. Of the $50/month we pay for Fubo, I consider most of it a waste of money. The only redeeming feature the streaming service brings is that while I may be throwing away approximately $40/month, with our cable TV bill I was throwing away more like $120/month.
Ugly, or just plain weird, is that the "sports oriented" service we get doesn't include ESPN. All I ever watch on ESPN is college football, and going through the "bowl season" without them was annoying. We used the OTA TV more than streaming to watch some college games. Minor bowls that we honestly didn't care about. On the other hand, if you're from Europe and trying to keep up with your soccer team or you just love soccer, Fubo is the channel for you
We're watching the latest season of the Outdoor Channel's series The Best Defense, which should end around the end of March (rough guess - that would be a 12 week season, which seems to be what they do). Right now, I think there's a 75% chance that we go back to YouTubeTV. Maybe more options will be available by next fall.
Nice review, SiG!
ReplyDeleteWe had Verizon FiOS, fiber to the home, back in Long Beach, and Comcast "Xfinity" here in FoCo. We don't get OAN, but we get a metric ton of outdoor channels and college sports. L.A. was kinda sports crazy, but here it's an order of magnitude greater. We bought a Roku for the little TV in the grandson's room, and I found out a couple of weeks ago that we can get OAN on that.
We can get some OTA TV here, but to get them solidly, you need an outdoor antenna.
The Internet service is great. We're paying for 250MB, and we routinely speed test at over 400.
I'm living without FIOS, and with tenuous bandwidth. Yes, I could hook up the satellite Dish Network, but haven't yet.
ReplyDeleteI'm with you on all counts, buddy.
I'll agree that cable/satellite TV is something that describing requires more four-letter words than I know, and you get to pay an exhorbitant monthly figure for the privilege.
ReplyDeleteOTA works, sort of. I've had a cheapo amplified table-top antenna for well over a decade (started back in 2009 when TV went all 1s and 0s); in FL it worked well because Florida is a giant pool table with theme parks. Here, it's OK, with occasional bouts of pixilation when I'm too lazy to get up and rotate the antenna a few degrees. I haven't seen anything on ABC since I moved because the only ABC affliate is on the other side of the mountains and they're not bright enough to put an OTA repeater 35 miles south (where there's a market 5X their "home market" size) but restrict themselves to only cable/sat subscribers in that larger market.
No one in TV Land seems smart enough to grasp the concept of "streaming," or at least figure out how to to it without pissing all the users off (yet they want us to elect their candidates....). Maybe AlGore should begin visiting TV stations to 'splain that InterTube thingie he invented.
I've had a couple conversations with Michael Bane RE: paid internet access to his shows, and either he also doesn't understand the concept or whomever is providing his financial backing doesn't, or is scared of it (there's also the possibility, if not the probability, that doing so is in conflict with whatever their existing provider contracting allows, and no one in or near The Bane Empire knows how to write contracts). (I suspect a cable AND OTA arrangement would double or triple his viewer numbers, but they can't figure a way to charge OTA viewers for it, and that's the only business model they know.)
If TV were worth watching I'd install a 40 ft pole with a very good outdoor antenna and rotor on top so I could get another 15-25 stations, But it isn't, so I won't. (In fact, for 2019 the Indy 500 moves to NBC - it's been ABC/ESPN for decades, and other than Last Man Standing (now on Fox after ABC self-sodomized over it) the only worthwhile thing on ABC - so I'll be able to see it for the first time since I moved. Hope it'll be worth watching).
I see the TV Land response to streaming a little differently. Some see it as a another income source but treat it as "anyone dumb enough to pay for it will pay whatever we ask". Or they just plain don't know how to monetize it and overestimate the worth of what they have.
DeleteMy Outdoor TV is basically charging $10/month to watch repeats of old shows. What?? How much is it worth to you to watch the same episode more than once? Is it worthwhile to pay $30 for three months to watch one show per week of one of Michael Bane's series? I'm not there, yet. In a year, or maybe 6-7 months after they first air, you could pay for one month, binge watch all 12 shows, and then unsubscribe.
Fox News is available on all but one of the services in my list. Now they've opened a new streaming service for $6/month. Is that worth it?
The $40/mo streaming service starts sounding good compared to 5 to $10 for every channel you want to watch.
As for not understanding how to monetize it, why is it different from the ancient OTA model, where commercials are priced by the number of viewers?
There should be a way around this.
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ReplyDeleteNo OTA TV here, other than a couple of fuzzy, unintelligible evangelist networks.
ReplyDeleteGave up cable 12 years ago. Don't miss it at all. Almost all the shows and most of the commercials are degenerate.
Netflix is annoying me with all the degenerate shows (pedophilia, underage nudity, etc.) and donations to Leftists. But when they make something not terrible, it's generally excellent.
I can use OTA for 2 or 3 channels, but almost never do. I've effectively been streaming only for the last 8 years.
ReplyDeleteI can't get land line high speed access; I've been using Verizon's Home Broadband Connect for several years, but they have high prices and low bandwidth limits. I just switched to an AT&T service with more than twice the (monthly) bandwidth for slightly less.
I have used Netflix for a while but am thinking about dropping it; they keep getting rid of what I like and replacing it with weird, far out "Originals". I'm trying Amazon Prime now and using it for streaming and well as packages - I'm finding more to watch on it too.
This dilemma should end with 5G. Cable will wither to nothing given the speed and bandwidth of 5G.
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This is probably why the ISPs all seem to be jockeying to become the one cable to your house (to include fiber). The cable TV companies want to provide your phone and the phone companies want to provide your TV. They all want to be the one provider to rule them all ...
DeleteIt's also probably why the TV channels, Outdoor Channel and Fox News (as described above) are launching their own streaming channels. They're all running scared over the prospects that "cable is going away".
I've seen some articles in the Microwave journals about getting started on 6th Generation (6G). The first 5G installations should happen this year.
Have you discussed 5G in practical terms? If so, I don't remember it.
DeleteOne of the big issues I see with it is that it requires LOTS of base antennas and the design seems focused entirely on high density urban/ sub-urban areas; will it be practical, or even available, in rural areas?
No, I haven't done that. I really should do some research and put something up.
DeleteTo get higher bandwidths, they're going to go higher in frequency than current phones. There's probably a road map for how long and when that happens, and I'm guessing it's different for each provider. It requires new phones for every user, new, additional infrastructure, and lots more new infrastructure.
There seems to be a tendency to jumble up concepts from 5G and the Internet of Things That Don't Quite Work Right (as I call it). The IoT may use 5G for a backbone, but it doesn't have to. Most of those Things are low bandwidth data users, so they don't need the wide bands that 5G provides.
Going to higher frequencies is likely to make it harder to penetrate buildings and that's probably where the talk of lots more antennas come from. If you've seen the old conceptual illustrations of a map of cells as an array of hexagons, make every hexagon smaller. (Top illustration here)
Trying to cut costs, but the ease of using the Dish Network DVR just can't be beat, so I also need to look into that expense. We still have Dish, and have Netflix & Acorn TV streaming services so we can decide how we want to stream when we cut the cord. Cant get OTA networks, but recently got a used tower, 40 ft. Any thoughts are appreciated about this topic. Love your blog, over my head sometimes, not an engineer, retired LEO.
ReplyDeleteThanks. Feel free to drop a direct email whenever I’m not clear.
DeleteI had DirecTV for a year or two and the only troubles we had were with rain fades. A thunderstorm 20 miles west of us would take out the reception. Otherwise their service was fine.
There’s a few websites that can help you figure out what antennas will work for you, how high and all. AntennaWeb.org and TVFool.com are ones I used. That antenna that I linked to on Amazon is a mid-range antenna, like up to 60 miles.
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ReplyDeleteWe watch Wayyy more Tv than you and Still made a switch and saved. We were on DirectTV. Cost about $150 a month with bells and whistles plus of course it went out every time it rained. As I live in a Hurricane possible area I kind of want to actually see TV-Local weather when it storms. Part of the reason our costs was so high is we have TV in every room...which means you pay every stinking month for box rental. So about 8 months ago we switched to PlayStation Vue. Our cost dropped to $70 a month which includes a bunch of sports channels because we love college sports ( esp football). Local cable provider doesn't carry Big 10 or many smaller colleges so not an option. Overall we are very happy with PlayStation Vue. All the channels plus if traveling you can watch on laptop or phone. ( You know...cause the wedding or whatever is ALWAYs schedules same day as " latestest big game ". I will agree with one of your points though. My only complaint is the interface...sucks chrome off a trailer hitch ! ! Doable but not good. On plus side...I now get through one PlayStation Vue or Amazon prime or whatever all my favorite old shows to include some movies and Tv shows I had forgotten. ( Green Acres, etc. ) Final thought. If you go with T-Mobile you get Netflix free. Since ATT was treating me like dirt even though We were customers for over 17 years so we switched to T-Mobile and saved money there too.
ReplyDeleteYou made me laugh, John.
DeleteI've been looking at PlayStation Vue, but they have the drawback of not getting Outdoor Channel. Both Fubo and Sling bundle Outdoor channel with a bunch of others for $5/month. Unfortunately, they're the only services that offer Outdoor Channel at all (that I can find).
The interface would suck far less if Roku had a keyboard instead of selecting letters one at a time by moving the cursor and hitting OK.
While I don't have a Roku, I've read that there are apps you can use with your smart phone to control it, which have the side effect of providing a keyboard.
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