Sunday, February 22, 2015

The M855 Ammo Ban: What's In The Other Hand?

So the BATFE dropped a Friday afternoon document bomb on the 13th proposing to ban M855 ammo on the basis that it's armor piercing.  Which it isn't.  Either in practice or by the legal definition of armor piercing.  Basically, they dropped a 17 page PDF justifying how they make up new law out thin air.  Loosely translated, let me boil their 17 pages down to one sentence: "Fuck you, because we can".

Hat Tip to Bob Owens for this link to Twang and Bang's video.  He makes the excellent point that the cartridge on the left here, 223 green tip, is being defined as armor piercing while it won't, whereas the 300 Win Mag cartridge in his other hand, which will blow through plate armor through the body and through the armor on the back side, is not being ruled armor piercing.  According to the new BATFE definitions.
Of course we should all send comments to that BATFE-EI-EI-O, as well as our Senators and Congresscritters.
Send your comments to the ATF before the March 16th deadline:
Fax- (202)648-9741
Mail- Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments
I emailed BATFE on Friday and filled out both Senator Rubio's and my representative's online contact forms.  I recommend you do the same.

But I can't help but wonder, why this, why now?  Is it just because they can?  Try to get more money into the political pig troughs by getting people to contribute more?  To me, this is a pretty open and shut case.  This should be overruled by any judge who reads the law as it was written.  To be armor piercing, the bullet must be:
a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper or depleted uranium; ...
Green tip is a conventional lead bullet with some steel added at the tip.  Therefore, if you read laws logically, M855 falls out at this step and isn't considered armor piercing.  Case closed, all hand waving aside. 

So why bother?  Just to see who they get mad?  See who writes?  Or are they pushing something else through with the other hand?  I looked around other places and didn't see anything else mentioned.  I mean, everyone knows about the Internet takeover vote coming, so they're not distracting from that.  Since any BATFE ruling and writing our representatives brings up the chance, I made sure to bring up Fast and Furious with both my senator and congressman.  I reminded them this was the agency that thought running guns to the most vicious drug cartels in Mexico - with no way to trace or track them - was a good idea, and that didn't imply they had much in the way of good judgement.   Did they think we wouldn't bring up F&F?  Or do they just not care? 

Keep an eye out.  If there's more than one of us looking for whatever else they might be doing, bring a link here!


  1. It's an truism that the longer the divorce takes the nastier and pettier it becomes. We've got two more years.

  2. There's a reason, all right. This administration strikes back at its enemies quick and hard, and I think this is exactly what happened.

    Only two days after the Northern Texas federal district court decision (Mance v Holder and Jones) striking down the out-of-state handgun purchase ban in the GCA '68, came this attack on M855.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc evidence? Maybe. But this is how these guys roll.

  3. The apparatchiks at BATFEces are doing this BECAUSE THEY CAN. It's just that simple. Just like the EPA issues abusive useless destructive rules....BECAUSE THEY CAN. These petty bureaucrats know that more often than not they will get away with their misconduct. That ONLY Congress has the ability to rein them in.....something that Congress hasn't cared to do in a long time.
    So just like all the other evil nastiness that comes out of Mordor on the Potomac this too is a case of evil people doing evil things because nobody can be bothered to stop them or remove them from their positions of power.

  4. Watch the other hand...?

    I think these are actually tentacles, and by that definition there are at least 7 more.

    Perhaps the goal is to at some point define "any" cartridge that penetrates "any" armor.

    Had to "edumacate" the Fudd at work that the .243 he bought to hunt Coyotes is an armor piercing rifle.

    Also, how its "military style" due to the Mauser 88 and 98 and all other bolt action rifles. The Mauser brothers didn't build their gun to shoot Bambi, after a blank stare, think I made a thought in his head.

  5. 50 years ago or more RICO laws were created to fight organized crime. Today RICO laws are used to target anyone the DA wants to get. Mostly they hit the poor innocent person with RICO violations so that they are facing life in prison and will be willing to bargin down to 5 years. Often these people are innocent of any crime other then pissing off some LEO or DA.
    Then there are the confiscation laws. These were put in place to fight drug traffickers. The idea being that if you take away their money you will discourage the crime. It seemed to make sense then to give the money to the very people who fight crime. Now confiscation laws are used to rob the innocent. If your kid has a little pot and the police arrest you in your home then they can take YOUR home. The police even go to the effort of looking up who owns the home and if they own it outright to make sure it is worth the effort. They can confiscate cash in yur pocket that they sieze during a phony traffic stop. Who wants to target the drug pushers who will shot back when you can become rich going after inncent civilians. And of course we are all aware of the traffic ticket scam. It isn't about traffic safety it is 100% about cash in the pockets of government. Imagine how much safer this country would be if we simply repurposed all the police who spend all their time looking for traffic infractions towards fighting actual crime.
    So what the ATF is doing is a tried and true method of accomplishing what they want using a simple law that was "supposed" to do something good.
    This is tyranny pure and simple. It has nothing to do with safety or legitimate law enforcement it is political power through the barrel of a gun. In fact by definition it could easily be called terrorism, i.e. "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims".

    We need to reform the ATF. It should be reformed and it's mission changed to eliminate "firearms" from their agenda and their name. The new ATF should be called the "AT". They are guilty of repeated violations of the 2nd amendment and cannot be trusted any

  6. Andrew, if you made a thought in his head, he will soon shut it down. They aren't Fudds because they are asleep; they are asleep because they are Fudds.

  7. Unknown, you do have a point.
    After Sandy Hook he said, "why don't they just ban all those ugly black guns."
    Everybody present reminded him that his guns are ugly to people who want all of them banned.

  8. That coincides with my notion: "black rifles" have become so popular, are owned by so many people that the BATmen (yes Jodi, you look like a man, too) have decided to reduce the availability of ammo for them.

    This is possibly also a strike-back at the folks building their own un-registered rifles from 80% lowers. Perhaps it has the added favor of hurting ammo manufacturers by decreasing their profit line?

  9. My take, they're making an end run to block the sale of surplus M855 to civilians when the military drops it in favor the M855A1. Quite possibly a nod to the unratified UN Small Arms Treaty...

    It's just a bonus it helps keep the prices of all 223/556 ammo inflated.