In light of that, you might be interested to know that the gold and silver mining companies' stocks have been getting hammered for years. Precious metals miners, as measured by the Market Vectors Gold Miner’s ETF, are down by about 70% over the last five years. Over that period, gold itself is down about 8%. There was a run up and loss of over 70%, but measured at the specific endpoints, the loss was the more moderate 8%. The miners are feeling that 70% loss. At the recent Sprott-Stansbury Natural Resource Symposium, the air was thick with gloom and doom sentiments from the miners. The sentiment that this is the worst the mining sector has looked in thirty years was in the air.
Mining execs say banks won’t return their calls. Promoters say they are thinking about taking their firms into cloud computing, video games, or Chapter 11.The Washington Post ran an article under the headline "Gold is Doomed"; the Wall Street Journal said gold is nothing more than a "pet rock", and Bloomberg Financial said "gold is a textbook short".
“What do you know about cloud computing?” we ask.
“Nothing. But I know gold mining. And I know it’s no place to make money.”
It's important to note that stock prices for the mining companies aren't very well correlated to the prices of the metals because their prices are determined by completely different mechanisms. Mining companies are priced according to their costs, the effectiveness of their management, their P/E and other metrics familiar to stock traders. Gold's price is set by the commodity exchanges and manipulators. Miners need to spend to get the gold out of the ground. Once it's out of the ground and off to refining, their work is essentially over - aside from exploring and finding new deposits. In that sense, if you wanted to invest in mining stocks and also physical gold, you would go into the mining companies first. It's the nature of the mining sector that it works slowly. The rule of thumb is that it takes ten years from the time a deposit is identified until poured gold bars are hitting the streets. The delay is worse in developed countries proportional to the amount of regulations they work under and the required number of tons of paperwork that need to be completed before mining can begin.
An apparent paradox here is that only big companies can afford to wait 10 years to get the mine production, but big companies are very rarely risk-takers so they wouldn't be exploring. Conversely, a small company can take the risks of exploration but they don't have the money to wait 10 years to start making money off their discovery. The way the paradox is resolved is that the small companies (called the juniors) do the exploration and early development. If they don't find anything, they wink out of existence; if they do find a good deposit and get close to producing metal, they get bought up by one of the big companies.
Has it reached bottom? Has the next silver bull market already started?
- Like gold, silver fell as the U.S. dollar rose on the back of expectations that the Fed will hike rates.
- World demand for physical silver fell 4% in 2014, largely due to a record 19.5% drop in investment demand.
- Silver exchange-traded funds (ETFs) did not see big liquidations in 2014. ETF holdings grew by 1.4 million ounces and recorded their highest year-end level at 636 million ounces.
There was a big drop in investment demand last year: 19.5%. This tells us that most short-term investors and sellers have left the market. We don’t know any “silver bugs” who were selling. That means that today’s bullion is in stronger hands. And that means that any new buying will have a strong impact on prices.Silver bugs are likely to be buying and holding it as insurance; a "safe haven". "If you can't hold it in your hand and you can't defend it, you don't own it" - right? So is there any way to get that 19.5% of demand back this year? Laurynas Vegys, writing at Bonner and Partners explains:
The Silver Institute expects more silver demand from investors this year. They say that the first half of 2015 sales of silver bars were the fifth highest on record.Are the metals due to start back up this year? I don't have crystal ball and I don't do well on the timing of predictions, but I see things in their favor. The Fed is going to have start raising interest rates at some point. The dollar shouldn't be as strong as it is (what I call "the least disgusting girl at the dance" theory). Counter to that, the world economy is looking shaky again. China's stock market is a mess, most investment houses don't believe the official government economic growth numbers that China issues any more (wise with all government numbers). The scenario Jim Rickards talks about of global bank holidays which I covered in early May seems to be getting more likely; at least beyond "single digit percent probability". During periods of uncertainty, people like the "safe haven assets" like precious metals. They've been the fall back for a few thousand years. It's believable they will be again.
Photovoltaics (PV) is another source of silver demand that many analysts expect to rise in 2015 and beyond. Global PV demand is set to increase by 30% in 2015, according to IHS analysts. China alone has plans to install 17 gigawatts of solar capacity by the end of the year.
The solar industry consumes a small amount of silver compared to jewelry and other electronics. Yet, if PV demand delivers in 2015, it will become the third-largest source of fabrication demand for silver.
Wild card: Tesla plans to put batteries big enough to power a house in every home. What happens if that takes root is anyone’s guess… but it will be big. Really big. And the impact on demand for silver would be just as huge.
What ratio of physical silver to gold holdings would you suggest?ReplyDelete
Buying physical silver is not that easy just now.ReplyDelete
Nominal price is right, but look at the hit, online or at a local establishment.
SLV ETF? Went into that in a limited way, cause who knows??
DrJim - I wouldn't recommend ratios. I have no confidence that what I've chosen is right.ReplyDelete
Gold is very dense wealth storage. Unless you get one of those 30 gram sheets pre-scored so you can break off 1 gram at a time, gold is horribly impractical to use as money now. In a future time where you might need to trade or barter for things with it, it's going to be hard to use a one ounce gold eagle, especially if the expected value is something in the tens of thousands per ounce. Or several tens of thousands.
Bill, it's true there are ridiculous premiums on some (many?) forms of silver, but there are still things you can get at the same premiums per ounce as you paid six or more months ago. Single coins are always more per ounce than multiple coins, but the premiums on silver eagles, or the Austrian silver philharmonics, and others aren't really up much compared to what's going on with the 90% silver US coins.
Thanks for the sage advice.ReplyDelete
The only gold I have are the 1/10 ounce and 1/4 ounce Eagles.
The amount of "wealth" per 1 oz coin is what puts me off. I suppose I should have a few, just like most people keep a few $100 bills around.
You know, they say the historical gold to silver ratio is around 17 to 1. As far back as I can recall, it has been several times that. Currently, it's 74:1. Does that say that somewhere around 17:1 silver ounces to gold is correct? Or more like the current value, and 74 silver ounces to one of gold? Somewhere in between?ReplyDelete
It's hard for me to pick a ratio based on anything other than gut feel.
Whenever I talk about metals, I usually get a commenter who says gold and silver are both worthless. Too many counterfeits out there to ever take them in trade. Can't eat 'em, can't defend yourself with them, can't grow anything, why bother? What makes me think a 90% silver Roosevelt dime will be worth anything? Contrast that with Ferfal's experiences in Argentina where he recommends buying low end gold jewelry to have around for trading stock.
I just think that the two of them have thousands of years of history of being valued. It's likely to continue.
Oh, I definitely agree.ReplyDelete
My wife's first husband (RIP, Gene) considered comic books and Star Wars/Star Trek/Super hero toys and model kits his "retirement account".
We gave all 4500 ( !! ) comic books to her youngest and his girlfriend when they moved to Colorado, and after a year or so of sorting them, checking the values, and having the "best" graded and bagged to get the highest price, they wound up with about $12k.
Most of the comics were worth maybe fifty cents, but some turned out to be quite valuable.
Same with the toys and model kits. I've culled out the most valuable, but I'm still left with a quarter of the garage stacked up with stuff that will probably never be worth much more than whatever scrap plastic brings....
SO......when I started buying up junk silver, silver Eagles, and the small gold Eagles, she didn't bat an eye.
They take up a whole lot less space, and hopefully, will always be worth what I paid for them, unlike a $6 comic that drops to 10 cents in three months!