"SpaceX will work with Glenn and Marshall to advance technology needed to transfer propellant in orbit, an important step in the development of the company’s Starship space vehicle," the NASA news release states. This is a significant announcement for reasons both technical and political.Much as aerial refueling seems essential to extending the ranges that aircraft can achieve, refueling in space has long been considered necessary for deep space missions. One of SpaceX's principal engineers behind the Starship project, Paul Wooster, has said that he has estimated five Starship launches worth of fuel (as payload) would be required to refuel a single Mars-bound Starship in low-Earth orbit, and this would involve the transfer of hundreds of tons of methane and liquid oxygen. NASA's Bobby Braun, a former chief technologist at NASA who is now dean of the College of Engineering and Applied Sciences at the University of Colorado Boulder has said,
For its part, SpaceX welcomed the opportunity to help advance NASA's Artemis Program, which NASA hopes will send humans to the Moon by 2024 (and, later on, to Mars). “We believe SpaceX’s fleet of advanced rockets and spacecraft, including Falcon Heavy and Starship, are integral to accelerating NASA’s lunar and Mars plans," a company spokesperson told Ars.
"I’ve got a stack of studies that go from the floor to the ceiling that list the critical technologies needed for humans to become long-term explorers in deep space, and in-space refueling is always on the list."
The new partnership recognizes SpaceX's maturity as a leading space transportation company, Braun said. And Glenn and Marshall are the right centers for SpaceX to partner with, even if there simultaneously exists a strong rivalry between SpaceX's low-cost rockets and Marshall's lead development of NASA's Space Launch System rocket.
SpaceX graphic of the need for refueling in a Mars mission.
As part of that "stack of studies" Braun mentions, NASA has previously done considerable work studying the handling, transfer of, and storage of rocket fuels such as liquid oxygen, hydrogen, and methane in space—they are difficult to work with and susceptible to boil off in the space environment (hydrogen atoms are so small they can even migrate directly through metal fuel tanks). Under the new agreements, NASA civil servants and SpaceX employees will work together, each side paying their workers from the joint effort funds.
"The civil servants at Marshall and at Glenn are very talented in this area," Braun said. "The people at SpaceX clearly know their system, both the capabilities and the needs of the Starship architecture. The fact that they’re all going to get together in the same room, and work on the same problem, that’s tremendous."
NASA concept for an orbiting refueling station with a set of propellant and oxidizer tanks.
As with all government programs, politics plays a large part in this effort.
Braun served as chief technologist in 2010, back when the Obama administration created NASA's Space Technology program to foster just this kind of innovation in America's private space industry. It was a contentious time in space policy, as the White House was pushing for more funding for new space companies—and new space ideas such as fuel-storage depots—while Congress wanted to keep NASA in the rocket-building business.In 2010, Spacex had been flying the Falcon for two years and it was hardly the commercial/technical success it has turned out to be, so the desire to keep NASA launching rockets was understandable. We've covered the influence of Alabama Senator Richard Shelby in getting NASA's SLS rockets funded and keeping the program going.
The potential of in-space fuel storage and transfer threatened the SLS rocket because it would allow NASA to do some exploration missions with smaller and cheaper rockets. As one source explained at the time, "Senator Shelby called NASA and said if he hears one more word about propellant depots he’s going to cancel the Space Technology program."Charles Miller, a consultant to NASA in the 2011 time frame, was among those performing studies to show that the use of propellant depots could significantly lower exploration costs for NASA. On Tuesday, he praised the Trump administration and NASA chief Jim Bridenstine for putting the Space Technology program to good use.
The line from other NASA officials was that as a technology, propellant depots were not ready for prime time. In 2011, former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and current Executive Secretary of the National Space Council Scott Pace—both SLS advocates—wrote a withering criticism of the technology for Space News.
"Fuel depots as an element of a near-term space architecture are an example of magical thinking at its best, a wasteful distraction supported by the kinds of poorly vetted assumptions that can cause a concept to appear deceptively attractive," Griffin and Pace wrote. Ironically, their chosen heavy-lift rocket for use in NASA's "near-term" architecture, the SLS rocket, remains badly behind schedule and over budget. It is unlikely to fly meaningful exploration missions for at least three or four more years and is holding up the Trump administration's Artemis plan.
"Administrator Bridenstine is clearly executing on President’s Trump’s guidance to increase commercial public-private-partnerships at NASA," Miller, now chief executive of UbiquitiLink, told Ars. "The game-changing technology that NASA has discovered is capitalism. This program proves NASA leadership has figured out the future is reusability mixed with commercial public-private-partnerships."In my way of looking at it, if a Mars mission is necessarily going to be a long duration mission, what they really need are ways to manufacture methane and liquid oxygen on Mars rather than take everything they ever need with them. That would bring the vision of extended settlements to fruition faster.
SpaceX concept artwork of a manned outpost on Mars with four Starships visible among the acres in the settlement.
So... NASA has finally returned to the post-Apollo plans of a space-based refueling station.ReplyDelete
Like they talked about in 1965, 66, 67, 68, and 69 before the world stopped at the Shuttle, which was partially designed originally to... build up near-space infrastructure like... a tanker farm...
My head hurts almost as much as my heart hurts.
(mumble, mumble, NERVA, mumble, mumble, space tugs, base on moon, mumble mumble...)
I'll believe it when I see it.ReplyDelete
From NASA? Yeah, I'll hold my breath until Pence (as head of the Space Council) starts booting the worthless and entrenched from the unhallowed halls of NASA ADMIN INC.Delete
Now, SpaceX? Elon is a wiry little dwarf, right out of Norse mythology. He seems to actually be getting things done. Though I'm still waiting for Dragon Crew to work, and work better than Orion.
For some reason, Elon is a wiry little dwarf... brought the children's rhyme Old King Cole to mind. and a wiry little dwarf was he..Delete
They say the reason the Fed.gov never gets any smaller is because everyone wants to cut the other guys' programs but not their favorites. So I reconciled myself that NASA needs to be cut, too. Maybe completely - do nothing but some minimal amount of research. Help colleges and researchers get their payloads into orbit. Publish standards for how much vibration, temperature swing, radiation and whatever that a satellite will have to survive.
I gather there are readers that hate Elon, but in the private launch business, there's SpaceX and everyone else. With the Russians, the Europeans and the Chinese copying SpaceX designs, I think he's our best chance.
I agree with you about Elon. He is one of a kind, and I never thought I'd ever see an entrepreneur of his class in my lifetime. I was drawn to the show early on (2004-ish) because he does engineering development the way I do, and is unbelievably successful at it. I sit in awe of his accomplishments across so many fields.Delete
Musk isn't a dwarf. He's 6'2", five inches taller than Jeff Bezos.ReplyDelete
The Dwarves of Norse Mythology weren't exactly dwarves, per se, but a race of skilled craft-workers capable of all sorts of magical and near-magical work. Sized from dwarf-dwarf sized to, well, giant-dwarf sized.Delete
My statement is more an allusion to his attitude, much like those of the dwarves in the old stories. Get them interested in doing something and stand back and wait. That's what Elon does.
And he doesn't come across as a tall man. He, to me, comes across as a, well, tall dwarf of Norse background.
Also, his body is stocky, which makes him (much like Napoleon Bonaparte) seem shorter than it is.
re: refueling in spaceReplyDelete
First on the list to me will be the refueling of the James Webb Telescope which if successful will be located at L2 Lagrangian point. Without refueling it will fail after about seven years. Sure hope they have a "gas cap" on its fuel tank.
At the rate the launch date for the Webb has been slipping, the refueling capacity will be on orbit by the time it launches.Delete
OK, that was unnecessarily harsh. All big programs like this which have never been done before (and nobody really knows how to do them) have schedule slips. I just wonder if the March of '21 launch date is realistic. Problem is, if that "gas cap" isn't there now, it's too late to add it.
No, it wasn't harsh. It's true. The slipping of the launch schedule is almost suspiciously seeming to be an extended jobs program for the telescope workers.Delete
And to think we built and launched the two Voyagers on-time.
When I was 5 years old...(1950) my neighbor "Pumpy" had a "TV" (21" B&W) that we watched all the cowboy stuff, cartoons, "Sky King," now lets "Blast off for "OUTER SPACE" with "Captain Video and the Video Ranger!!!!!" and "Tom Corbet and his 'Space Cadets!!!'"
Boyz and Gurlz... what we were watching back then in B&W on that 21" screen aren't "Space Fantasy" anymore Pilgrim!!!!!
It's like that line that Captain Kirk lays on that Biologist Lady in that Star Trek movie,"No, I'm not from 'Outer Space' I'm from Iowa but I 'Work' in Outer Space!!!!!" I like the part where Scotty is going to "Beam him up" and she grabs onto him and goes for the ride of her life leaving that old "Pick up truck" as her legacy!! I hope the Captain got laid for that one!!!Hehehehehe!!
Audentes, Fortuna, Ivat!!!!,
skybill, I'm not that much younger than you, just 9 or 10 years. I remember watching Sky King on a big B&W set, too. Growing up in Miami, I don't remember seeing Captain Video, but maybe we didn't have enough channels.Delete
Growing up then, everybody knew rockets were supposed to land on their fins! None of this "use 'em up and throw 'em out stuff!" It landed on its fins, the gas station guy would come out, hook up the hose and refill it.
I think that may be why I get such a kick watching the SpaceX boosters come back to land. It was always supposed to be like this.
Hi Si Greybeard,Delete
Just "Googeled" "Tom Corbett Space Cadet" and the whole series popped up'''(1950-55) !!!!! Check it out!!,